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7/22/2015 5:53:28 PM  

progrocknic
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Quote from naprinciple:
We BOTH want evidence, but unfortunately, only one of us knows who to ask


Richard Gage?



Why are you satisfied with no proper explanation for missing video footage? Why do you suppose the government doesn't release a HiDef shot of the Pentagon being hit with a plane? Wouldn't that help show us they have nothing to hide?

If they don't have high def shots, how could they show them?

Again, this is not evidence of a conspiracy. Show me evidence that they have/had the photos and just won't/didn't release them. Once that's done we can go from there.

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7/22/2015 5:59:32 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from progrocknic:
Quote from class5:
I noticed all you received was a puerile ad hominem in response. It merely demonstrates that his argument is baseless, and we both know that one.


All I want is evidence. Shouldn't be that hard.


Same here my friend. Just evidence of their claims is all I want. If I can show their evidence to be specious as often as I do, it simply means their case is weak.

How do they respond? With puerile accusations of shill and the like. Just dumb. It's difficult to engage in adult debate when the claimants are operating on a much lower level.



[Edited 7/22/2015 6:02:14 PM ]

7/22/2015 6:04:53 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

naprinciple
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Quote from progrocknic:
Quote from naprinciple:
We BOTH want evidence, but unfortunately, only one of us knows who to ask


Richard Gage?



Why are you satisfied with no proper explanation for missing video footage? Why do you suppose the government doesn't release a HiDef shot of the Pentagon being hit with a plane? Wouldn't that help show us they have nothing to hide?

If they don't have high def shots, how could they show them?

Again, this is not evidence of a conspiracy. Show me evidence that they have/had the photos and just won't/didn't release them. Once that's done we can go from there.




A jumbo jet flies through DC doing a 270 degree corkscrew, coming in at ground level, towards dozens of cameras pointing away from the pentagon, and not one cam catches it?


I realize you're going to dismiss this point, and say it's not evidence, but what would a cop say if a store owner had that story after allegedly being robbed?


What's more, suppose none of those cameras were working, or were turned off, why wasn't someone fired? Why wasn't the failure of the CCTV security even brought up? We're supposed to just pretend the Pentagon doesn't have excellent camera coverage?





Above all. I'm not trying to convince anyone that water is wet, only to question things for themselves.

7/22/2015 6:07:09 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from progrocknic:
Quote from naprinciple:
Why is the onus on people who point out contradictions in the government's story. Instead of demanding evidence from me, why not demand evidence from the government?


The evidence of a conspiracy is on you. Pointing out contradictions is not the same as providing evidence of a conspiracy. All I'm asking for is evidence of a conspiracy.


Start with the videos the FBI confiscated from all over DC on 911. It's a question I have, and the government gave us 5 blurry stills.

I can see dozens of cams on the roof of the Pentacon, and I know most stores and all ATM's have cameras.


Why do you think we don't have pictures from every angle in DC?


I know why we don't. Why don't you think we don't have pictures from every angle?

Again. All I want is evidence. Questioning what happened is not evidence of a conspiracy.


In rest my case, Prog.

7/22/2015 6:09:16 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

progrocknic
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Quote from naprinciple:
A jumbo jet flies through DC doing a 270 degree corkscrew, coming in at ground level, towards dozens of cameras pointing away from the pentagon, and not one cam catches it?


Yup. Not everyone had a cell phone camera back then.

I realize you're going to dismiss this point, and say it's not evidence, but what would a cop say if a store owner had that story after allegedly being robbed?

He would look at all the evidence at the scene. In the case of 9/11, once you see all the plane parts, missing passengers, ATC conversations, witness reports, and things of that nature, the truth becomes clearer.


What's more, suppose none of those cameras were working, or were turned off, why wasn't someone fired? Why wasn't the failure of the CCTV security even brought up? We're supposed to just pretend the Pentagon doesn't have excellent camera coverage?

Do you have evidence or just questions about assumptions?




Above all. I'm not trying to convince anyone that water is wet, only to question things for themselves.


At least I can agree with you here. People should question everything.

7/22/2015 6:12:02 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from progrocknic:


At least I can agree with you here. People should question everything.


Yes, and 9/11 truth isn't exempt, like some would have us believe.



[Edited 7/22/2015 6:12:34 PM ]

7/22/2015 6:20:22 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Who says there were no bodies (charred body parts), no luggage, or no plane wreckage? And if it was you, what evidence do you have to support that claim?

Come to think of it, you've yet to provide evidence the section of fuselage found atop WTC5 (with passenger windows) was constructed of aluminum. Any chance that will come flying in anytime soon?


What EVIDENCE do i have to support the FACT that there were NO BODIES, NO PLANE WRECKAGE,NO JET FUEL,NO LUGGAGE ? My dear shill, look up the MANY online photos of the HOAX SCENES immediately after the so called plane crashes and the photos speak for themselves.

Now, being the idiotic paid shill that you are, your going to ask "well what about duh jet engine dug up at shankesville and what about duh plane debris discovered 8 MILES from the plane crash site in shankesville and what about the charred bodies and the rest of the nonsense found inside the pentacon?" To all that i tell you HORSESHIT and history of plane crashes have PROVED that you DO NOT need to dig to find wreckage and you DO NOT find all the evidence of a plane crash HIDDEN inside the pentacon with no evidence clearly outside and evidence DOES NOT fly thru the air for eight miles from a crash site like what was claimed in shanksville.

Stick that FACT up your pipes and smoke it shills

7/22/2015 6:23:53 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from higgy51:
So, for the nth time, where is your SOLID evidence that the fuselage was made of TIN srv?


Because tin RUSTS shill

7/22/2015 6:28:38 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Because tin RUSTS shill


But I can't see any rust on the fuselage as you claim, nor can anyone else. You have still to demonstrate the existence of this hidden 'rust'.

You're the king of the circular argument. BORING!

7/22/2015 6:30:03 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
Thermite. LOLOL And where is the proof of thermite? Oh, that's right, there is none.


Look on the REAL websites IF you want to know the TRUTH on the EVIDENCE OF THERMITE found at ground zero shill but we all know that the truth is forbidden huh you losers .

7/22/2015 6:31:35 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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To Higgy, Prog, and Tragic. If you're interested, there's a higher (by truther standards) level of debate regarding 9/11 going on over at Political Forum. This thread became boring one hundred pages ago with all the truther evasions. At least these guys engage on a slightly higher level than what we see here.

http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/

7/22/2015 6:31:37 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

louie6332
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Government apologists do not question the contradictions in the Government’s official story, nor their hiding of information, such as the confiscated videos and the pages missing from the official commission report. They ignore these contradictions and omissions and accept the Government’s official story without question. That’s bias. Are they being paid to lie, or are they just dumb as a sack of rocks? Well, nobody can be that dumb.

A competent police detective or investigator who is doing his job must look into contradictions in stories, even official government stories. Only those who have been ordered to stand down waver from this. As citizens, we are under no such orders. We are free to follow the truth to wherever it leads. Paid Government workers, Freemasons, and paid government trolls are not. Standing down is one thing, but lying to cover up the act is another, for when you do that, you make yourself a party to the crime. And actions have consequences, if not in this world, in the next.

The feigned attitude of the paid government trolls and useful idiots posting here is “Trust me, we can trust the Government”. Really? The Government says: “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false” (William Casey, CIA director 1981-1987, from first staff meeting in 1981)”.

Concerning Bush being told of the horrendous event of 9-11 while in the school, we have videos of this, and the look on Bush’s face when told of this, told me that this was something that had been planned, and he was being told that the plan had been carried out. That was the impression I got when I first saw it, and I am sure I am not alone in that impression. People can read people's faces. And that is hard to hide.

Louie

7/22/2015 6:33:37 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
But I can't see any rust on the fuselage as you claim, nor can anyone else. You have still to demonstrate the existence of this hidden 'rust'.

You're the king of the circular argument. BORING!


I tell you what dim wit, were fixing to take a poll and see what others think THEN we will call it RUST from now on

7/22/2015 6:34:08 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Look on the REAL websites IF you want to know the TRUTH on the EVIDENCE OF THERMITE found at ground zero shill but we all know that the truth is forbidden huh you losers .


It's a shame the science has disproved your silly claim. You cannot resurrect that stupid canard as the science has dispelled the myth.

Jones, Harritt and Farer have been exposed as frauds (I suspect you may not know who these guys are, but they are the sole source for the thermite claim).



7/22/2015 6:35:23 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
I tell you what dim wit, were fixing to take a poll and see what others think THEN we will call it RUST from now on


And that would prove what exactly? What a stupid response. You're not much of a thinker obviously.




7/22/2015 6:35:50 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from louie6332:
Government apologists do not question the contradictions in the Government’s official story, nor their hiding of information, such as the confiscated videos and the pages missing from the official commission report. They ignore these contradictions and omissions and accept the Government’s official story without question. That’s bias. Are they being paid to lie, or are they just dumb as a sack of rocks? Well, nobody can be that dumb.

A competent police detective or investigator who is doing his job must look into contradictions in stories, even official government stories. Only those who have been ordered to stand down waver from this. As citizens, we are under no such orders. We are free to follow the truth to wherever it leads. Paid Government workers, Freemasons, and paid government trolls are not. Standing down is one thing, but lying to cover up the act is another, for when you do that, you make yourself a party to the crime. And actions have consequences, if not in this world, in the next.

The feigned attitude of the paid government trolls and useful idiots posting here is “Trust me, we can trust the Government”. Really? The Government says: “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false” (William Casey, CIA director 1981-1987, from first staff meeting in 1981)”.

Concerning Bush being told of the horrendous event of 9-11 while in the school, we have videos of this, and the look on Bush’s face when told of this, told me that this was something that had been planned, and he was being told that the plan had been carried out. That was the impression I got when I first saw it, and I am sure I am not alone in that impression. People can read people's faces. And that is hard to hide.

Louie


Cool story Bro'.

7/22/2015 6:40:53 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

naprinciple
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Quote from progrocknic:
Quote from naprinciple:

Above all. I'm not trying to convince anyone that water is wet, only to question things for themselves.


At least I can agree with you here. People should question everything.






If this were true, why do you insult people who question the official story?


It seems like you want 3rd party readers to dismiss our posts without weighing the merits



[Edited 7/22/2015 6:41:37 PM ]

7/22/2015 6:42:39 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from louie6332:
Government apologists do not question the contradictions in the Government’s official story, nor their hiding of information, such as the confiscated videos and the pages missing from the official commission report. They ignore these contradictions and omissions and accept the Government’s official story without question. That’s bias. Are they being paid to lie, or are they just dumb as a sack of rocks? Well, nobody can be that dumb.

A competent police detective or investigator who is doing his job must look into contradictions in stories, even official government stories. Only those who have been ordered to stand down waver from this. As citizens, we are under no such orders. We are free to follow the truth to wherever it leads. Paid Government workers, Freemasons, and paid government trolls are not. Standing down is one thing, but lying to cover up the act is another, for when you do that, you make yourself a party to the crime. And actions have consequences, if not in this world, in the next.

The feigned attitude of the paid government trolls and useful idiots posting here is “Trust me, we can trust the Government”. Really? The Government says: “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false” (William Casey, CIA director 1981-1987, from first staff meeting in 1981)”.

Concerning Bush being told of the horrendous event of 9-11 while in the school, we have videos of this, and the look on Bush’s face when told of this, told me that this was something that had been planned, and he was being told that the plan had been carried out. That was the impression I got when I first saw it, and I am sure I am not alone in that impression. People can read people's faces. And that is hard to hide.

Louie


Your 100% right Louie, especially the part where reading bush dumbass w's expression after being told about the plan been carried out. That degenerate knew the grand plan but did not know the details until the details were exposed on 9/11.

7/22/2015 6:47:20 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Again for the idiots who still think thermite is a possibility:

https://youtu.be/aGGJ4xzna8o

7/22/2015 6:47:30 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from naprinciple:
If this were true, why do you insult people who question the official story?


It seems like you want 3rd party readers to dismiss our posts without weighing the merits


That's EXACTLY what these payed idiots want to accomplish Na. If these payed shills had it their way, most of us would be permanently silenced and to that i say, BRING IT ON!

7/22/2015 6:50:29 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
That's EXACTLY what these payed idiots want to accomplish Na. If these payed shills had it their way, most of us would be permanently silenced and to that i say, BRING IT ON!


No, by all means, keep posting. You are the best weapon against 9/11 TRUTH.

You, Fun and 57 all make 9/11 truth look stupid and irrational.

BRING IT ON!!!!



7/22/2015 6:51:11 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
Again for the idiots who still think thermite is a possibility:

https://youtu.be/aGGJ4xzna8o


And for the idiots claiming no thermite, look up actual EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of MOLTEN METAL in the debris cleanup STILL IN LIQUID FORM even WEEKS LATER. I'm glad to help you out paid shill

7/22/2015 6:55:17 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
No, by all means, keep posting. You are the best weapon against 9/11 TRUTH.

You, Fun and 57 all make 9/11 truth look stupid and irrational.

BRING IT ON!!!!



I wont be going anywhere anytime soon shill. Unlike yourself, i'm not being payed to be here and i will do my part exposing the TRUTH

7/22/2015 7:10:27 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

progrocknic
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Quote from naprinciple:
If this were true, why do you insult people who question the official story?


I don't. I insult anyone who makes outrageous claims and deliberately tried to manipulate information. No planers and such. Planes flew, and crashed into building and people died. Those are undeniable facts. I'm all for questioning the government using sound logic. The idea that the government used fake planes or missiles and tried to cover it up just to, save lives? Just so they could explode buildings containing thousands of lives? Not logical.


It seems like you want 3rd party readers to dismiss our posts without weighing the merits

No. I'll say again. I want to see evidence. I can't believe in something without evidence. That's why I'm not religious.

7/22/2015 7:18:15 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

naprinciple
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I've got 20+K posts here, most of them trying to convince people my conclusions are correct, but it's a waste of my time.


I'd rather take the Socratic route, and see if I can't get people to question their own assumptions

7/22/2015 7:32:06 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

tragicparrot
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Quote from srv63:
And for the idiots claiming no thermite, look up actual EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of MOLTEN METAL in the debris cleanup STILL IN LIQUID FORM even WEEKS LATER. I'm glad to help you out paid shill


It only figures you'd expect others to dig up proof for you. Thanks but no thanks for your help. Regarding the molten metal found at ground zero, i've already provided a simple demonstration of physics using household items that easily shows how this was possible. I've also provided a case study that proved no thermite had been found at ground zero. Linky again...

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2009/04/active-thermitic-material-claimed-in.html

More on thermite here...

http://debunking911.com/thermite.htm

Sorry. I couldn't find any truther websites with a case study proving active thermite was present at ground zero.

7/22/2015 7:33:33 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

57channels
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higgy

You say that they cannot tell the lower ranks within the SS of this plan to blow up the Towers and the Pentagon, yet they can employ the use of actors to act as witnesses and even more ludicrous, they can use the Military to take away the passengers of the planes and shoot them. They can also use the military to fire missiles at the Towers and the Pentagon, yet they cannot inform the lower ranking Secret Service Agents....f**king unbelievable.
====================================================
I do not believe the perps pull everybody in the govt. agencies aside and tell them what is going on. The risks are too high. Who cares if the perps kill a bunch of civilians that have proof the govt. is lying?? If you start knocking off people who work for the govt.-- people will start asking questions and scratching their heads.

Besides the perps have the media in their hip pocket to downplay or not even mention the fact that Bush hung around Booker school for 45 minutes.

The JFK assassination is solid proof that not all the SS agents were in on JFKs assassination. Some of them were no doubt...but certainly not all of them. Doesn't that mean anything to you???

I am saying I believe all the top dawgs of dept. heads were in on the 9-11 false flag. Do you need names who are guilty of High Treason. Richard Myers, George Tenet, Bob Mueller, Condi Rice. D*ck Cheney plus others.........not the little guys...maybe some of the little guys but certainly not all of them.

7/22/2015 8:14:33 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

tragicparrot
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Quote from 57channels:
higgy

You say that they cannot tell the lower ranks within the SS of this plan to blow up the Towers and the Pentagon, yet they can employ the use of actors to act as witnesses and even more ludicrous, they can use the Military to take away the passengers of the planes and shoot them. They can also use the military to fire missiles at the Towers and the Pentagon, yet they cannot inform the lower ranking Secret Service Agents....f**king unbelievable.
====================================================
I do not believe the perps pull everybody in the govt. agencies aside and tell them what is going on. The risks are too high. Who cares if the perps kill a bunch of civilians that have proof the govt. is lying?? If you start knocking off people who work for the govt.-- people will start asking questions and scratching their heads.

Besides the perps have the media in their hip pocket to downplay or not even mention the fact that Bush hung around Booker school for 45 minutes.

The JFK assassination is solid proof that not all the SS agents were in on JFKs assassination. Some of them were no doubt...but certainly not all of them. Doesn't that mean anything to you???

I am saying I believe all the top dawgs of dept. heads were in on the 9-11 false flag. Do you need names who are guilty of High Treason. Richard Myers, George Tenet, Bob Mueller, Condi Rice. D*ck Cheney plus others.........not the little guys...maybe some of the little guys but certainly not all of them.


Whether you believe anything or not is not proof of your conspiracies. Only evidence can do that. What is it about that you fail to understand 57channels?

7/22/2015 8:32:44 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

tragicparrot
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Quote from class5:
To Higgy, Prog, and Tragic. If you're interested, there's a higher (by truther standards) level of debate regarding 9/11 going on over at Political Forum. This thread became boring one hundred pages ago with all the truther evasions. At least these guys engage on a slightly higher level than what we see here.

http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/


Thanks class5. I'll certainly check it out. Having been an active member on numerous sites ranging from Alex Jone's InfoWars to Facebook groups such as "Conspiracies are not us etc", the former JREF (now The international Skeptics Forum) remains my primary source for debates. At least in my spare time. As for entertaining the current 911 debate here on DateHookup, if anything, hopefully, being that this IS a public forum, those who are just being introduced to the tragedy of 911, will have access to more than just a shit load of YouTube video's with claims of "SOLID PROOF".

7/22/2015 8:54:47 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

tragicparrot
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Quote from 57channels:
[snip]......The JFK assassination is solid proof that not all the SS agents were in on JFKs assassination. Some of them were no doubt...but certainly not all of them. Doesn't that mean anything to you???.......[snip]


No, this is not solid proof ANY Secret Service agents were in on JFK's assinnation, much less any were left out of it. The year was 1963, and 1968, a time when public appearances by JFK, Martin Luther King, and Robert F. were not exactly out of the ordinary. Pretty sure we've learned a bit since then.

7/22/2015 9:04:29 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from tragicparrot:
It only figures you'd expect others to dig up proof for you. Thanks but no thanks for your help. Regarding the molten metal found at ground zero, i've already provided a simple demonstration of physics using household items that easily shows how this was possible. I've also provided a case study that proved no thermite had been found at ground zero. Linky again...

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2009/04/active-thermitic-material-claimed-in.html

More on thermite here...

http://debunking911.com/thermite.htm

Sorry. I couldn't find any truther websites with a case study proving active thermite was present at ground zero.


You know why you idiot shills can't find a damn bit of evidence? Because you DON'T WANT TO. Go back to sleep shill

7/22/2015 9:08:07 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Thanks class5. I'll certainly check it out. Having been an active member on numerous sites ranging from Alex Jone's InfoWars to Facebook groups such as "Conspiracies are not us etc", the former JREF (now The international Skeptics Forum) remains my primary source for debates. At least in my spare time. As for entertaining the current 911 debate here on DateHookup, if anything, hopefully, being that this IS a public forum, those who are just being introduced to the tragedy of 911, will have access to more than just a shit load of YouTube video's with claims of "SOLID PROOF".


Spoken like a true shill

7/22/2015 9:10:19 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

tragicparrot
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Quote from srv63:
You know why you idiot shills can't find a damn bit of evidence? Because you DON'T WANT TO. Go back to sleep shill


Well then, perhaps you can find it for us. Feel free to post your evidence. Why let us hold you back?

7/22/2015 9:16:10 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

tragicparrot
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Quote from srv63:
Spoken like a true shill


Proof that i'm a "shill" srv63?

7/22/2015 11:19:42 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
And for the idiots claiming no thermite, look up actual EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of MOLTEN METAL in the debris cleanup STILL IN LIQUID FORM even WEEKS LATER. I'm glad to help you out paid shill


Er, how exactly does that prove the use of thermite? Why would thermite be responsible for the molten metal some claim to have seen? It doesn't prove any such thing.

You're not thinking today, as that is what is known as a non-sequitur, and that is, one does not necessarily follow from the other. You do this a lot.

Glad to help you out grade school moron.

7/22/2015 11:24:03 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
I wont be going anywhere anytime soon shill. Unlike yourself, i'm not being payed to be here and i will do my part exposing the TRUTH



I don't want you to go anywhere, as you discredit 9/11 truth with every post you make.

Oh, and you're another f**kwit using the 'shill' ad hom. Why don't you run off with noprinciples and 57 yelling 'shill' at all and sundry? Because that is what you d*ckheads do here. You cry 'shill' without the foggiest notion of whether you are right or wrong. Why don't you trolls get a life and grow up? I don't need any money from anyone to get to the truth. That is just stupid talk from you.



7/22/2015 11:26:29 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
You know why you idiot shills can't find a damn bit of evidence? Because you DON'T WANT TO. Go back to sleep shill


Well, that was a retarded response to the proof.



Thermite is only a belief system.



7/22/2015 11:31:29 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Thanks class5. I'll certainly check it out. Having been an active member on numerous sites ranging from Alex Jone's InfoWars to Facebook groups such as "Conspiracies are not us etc", the former JREF (now The international Skeptics Forum) remains my primary source for debates. At least in my spare time. As for entertaining the current 911 debate here on DateHookup, if anything, hopefully, being that this IS a public forum, those who are just being introduced to the tragedy of 911, will have access to more than just a shit load of YouTube video's with claims of "SOLID PROOF".


Yes, I'm active on ISF (former JREF), David Icke's Nutfarm, Let's Roll Forums (they've gone quiet) and many other political and dating sites with forums. My interest is purely in the mindset and psychology behind conspiracy theories, as well as the science involved in debunking nutty claims. I joined the Skeptics society purely out of interest in debunking these myths. It's a hobby, more than anything.


As you say, at least we've supplied a vast amount of evidence for the lurkers who may be sitting on the fence and possibly wooed by crazy sites and BOOBTOOB videos.

7/22/2015 11:32:42 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

class5
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Proof that i'm a "shill" srv63?


You can join the queue, Buddy.

a) Tin

b) Rust

c) Primer etc., etc.



7/23/2015 12:24:33 AM Mount Arlington, NJ  

tragicparrot
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Quote from higgy51:
That is rich coming from you!


YOU are the main dancer and "ignorer" of questions and requests for proof.

You and 57 are just dumber than a bag of rocks really.

Scene for a play!

57 Channels: "No planes hit the Towers, they were missiles dressed as a plane by a hologram"

srv: "A missile hit the North Tower, but a plane, not a commercial one though, hit the South Tower"

57 Channels: "A new military type of weapon, a ball, hit the south tower"

srv; "A PLANE hit the South Tower"

57: "No, NO planes hit the Towers"

srv "Yes, one hit the South Tower you creampuff"

57 "Then where is the plane and why was there no debris on the ground?"

Pause: Srv scratches his head and his a** and looks perplexed, he then smiles and says:

"the feds didn't have time to plant any". He jumps up and down with glee as he thinks he has beaten the 'creampuff'...but 57 is even dumber than srv and responds with the coup de grace (in his eyes)

"Then how did the engine on Murray street get there id they didn't have time to plant the evidence?"

This goes on and on and on.....


Thank you higgy51. For a little much needed humor.

7/23/2015 12:43:03 AM Mount Arlington, NJ  
higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
Because tin RUSTS shill


So, THAT is your ONLY evidence...rust?

You have no other proof from any other website of this absurd claim, it is only YOUR claim and no-one else had made this absurd claim?

The defense rests. No evidence of the claim is forthcoming.

7/23/2015 12:49:15 AM Mount Arlington, NJ  
higgy51
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Quote from 57channels:
higgy

You say that they cannot tell the lower ranks within the SS of this plan to blow up the Towers and the Pentagon, yet they can employ the use of actors to act as witnesses and even more ludicrous, they can use the Military to take away the passengers of the planes and shoot them. They can also use the military to fire missiles at the Towers and the Pentagon, yet they cannot inform the lower ranking Secret Service Agents....f**king unbelievable.
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I do not believe the perps pull everybody in the govt. agencies aside and tell them what is going on. The risks are too high. Who cares if the perps kill a bunch of civilians that have proof the govt. is lying?? If you start knocking off people who work for the govt.-- people will start asking questions and scratching their heads.



You fail to understand don't you? You fail to understand the absolute stupidity of the lower ranks of the SS weren't told of the events, yet they employed actors to act as witnesses, Joe Public who would babble easier than an SS agent! That they employed ti use of the Military to shoot passengers, transport them from the airport in LA, take them to a remote spot and shoot them...oh and then they would have to dispose of the bodies too, they, these Private soldiers were told of the plot, yet not the lower ranked SS agents.#

You fail to UNDERSTAND your stupidity of the statement don't you 57?

7/23/2015 12:52:25 AM Mount Arlington, NJ  
higgy51
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Quote from louie6332:


Concerning Bush being told of the horrendous event of 9-11 while in the school, we have videos of this, and the look on Bush’s face when told of this, told me that this was something that had been planned, and he was being told that the plan had been carried out. That was the impression I got when I first saw it, and I am sure I am not alone in that impression. People can read people's faces. And that is hard to hide.

Louie


So nice, so very sweet to see that you and your other CT nutcases ONCE AGAIN, disagree with each other.

57 Channels states that Bush Jnr didn't know anything about it, you are calling him a 'stupid' in saying that he did know about it.

I love the way you CT nutcases all come together with the same evidence!!

7/23/2015 12:38:39 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

57channels
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higgy

You fail to UNDERSTAND your stupidity of the statement don't you 57?
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How come you fail to mention the SS agent who wasn't in on the JFK assassination?? Or don't you believe that too. Its right there before JFK's limo enters the Dallas parde route. The SS man waves his hands 3 times saying WTF??? Why cant I do my job???

That explains why this low level SS guy at Booker school said " Lets get out of here......doesn't it?? Don't you get sick of being cornered, debunked or put in your place with your dumb questions.

Okydoky......now twist my words and accuse me of saying things I never said. None of the so-called passengers ever made it to LA.

7/23/2015 12:44:48 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  
higgy51
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Quote from 57channels:


How come you fail to mention the SS agent who wasn't in on the JFK assassination?? Or don't you believe that too. Its right there before JFK's limo enters the Dallas parde route. The SS man waves his hands 3 times saying WTF??? Why cant I do my job???

That explains why this low level SS guy at Booker school said " Lets get out of here......doesn't it?? Don't you get sick of being cornered, debunked or put in your place with your dumb questions.

Okydoky......now twist my words and accuse me of saying things I never said. None of the so-called passengers ever made it to LA.


How come I fail to mention the SS agent and JFK? Oh, I am sorry, I thought this thread was all about 9/11. I didn't realize JFK was in on 9/11 too...the list grows.

However, NO it does NOT explain anything about the SS agent when you firmly believe that the witnesses were planted and paid off and then think that all the other agents there at the school were in on the deal with the exception of this one poor junior schmuck.



Twist your words? Are you denying you said the passengers were probably taken away and shot 57?

7/23/2015 12:45:24 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

57channels
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higgy

57 Channels states that Bush Jnr didn't know anything about it, you are calling him a 'stupid' in saying that he did know about it.
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There you go again. I stated I don't THINK Bush Jr. knew about the 9-11 false flag. It really doesn't matter if he knew about it or if he was just a total puppet. Hell......after Card whispered in his ear about the 2nd plane.......Bush Jr. could have taken his shirt off, started pounding on his chest like King Kong yelling we will get Bin laden........and the media would have smoothed it all over.

7/23/2015 12:51:36 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

57channels
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higgy

However, NO it does NOT explain anything about the SS agent when you firmly believe that the witnesses were planted and paid off and then think that all the other agents there at the school were in on the deal with the exception of this one poor junior schmuck.
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It explains everything about the low level SS guy at Booker school. Heck....he might have been on the trip with Bush to carry Bush's briefcase or some stupid little detail?? The SS agent hired to protect JFK had a hell of alot bigger role than the guy at Booker school----- yet he didn't know about the assassination......did he???? He was told by some other big shot-- most likely a SS agent higher up---to STAND DOWN--DONT GET ON THAT BUMPER--EVEN THOUGH THATS YOUR JOB--STAND DOWN

You know...like when Cheney told the military to STAND DOWN

7/23/2015 12:57:20 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  
higgy51
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Quote from 57channels:

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There you go again. I stated I don't THINK Bush Jr. knew about the 9-11 false flag. It really doesn't matter if he knew about it or if he was just a total puppet.


Once again, you show your real ineptitude to provide evidence or a rational arguent.

You THINK he wasn't on it, but it DOESN'T matter anyway!

It does 57, it matters a great deal because you said his Father sent a text to the SS agent, so if he did that (and you have no proof, of course), then it would lead anyone with a logical mind to assume he WAS NOT in on the deal.

7/23/2015 1:00:19 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  
higgy51
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Quote from 57channels:

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It explains everything about the low level SS guy at Booker school. Heck....he might have been on the trip with Bush to carry Bush's briefcase or some stupid little detail?? The SS agent hired to protect JFK had a hell of alot bigger role than the guy at Booker school----- yet he didn't know about the assassination......did he???? He was told by some other big shot-- most likely a SS agent higher up---to STAND DOWN--DONT GET ON THAT BUMPER--EVEN THOUGH THATS YOUR JOB--STAND DOWN

You know...like when Cheney told the military to STAND DOWN


Okay, maybe he was there to carry Bush's briefcase and kept out of the link to what was gonna happen, and him being the only one...yet, you have claimed witnesses were paid off, military used to shoot civilians, to fire missiles and all sorts of nonsense, but you think that this one lonely SS agent knew nothing.

Okay, no problems with that.

7/23/2015 1:03:11 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  
higgy51
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Two further things 57, we all know you oh so easily skip over questions you cannot or don't like to answer, but they keep coming back to bite you, like this one:

Twist your words? Are you denying you said the passengers were probably taken away and shot 57?
Care to answer that 57?

How and how about the Towers made of reinforced concrete and steel? I was waiting for you to provide evidence, I guess you couldn't or can't can you? Even when the brainless Fun jumped in, you mysteriously skipped on by!!

7/23/2015 1:06:35 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

57channels
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higgy

Once again, you show your real ineptitude to provide evidence or a rational arguent.

You THINK he wasn't on it, but it DOESN'T matter anyway!

It does 57, it matters a great deal because you said his Father sent a text to the SS agent, so if he did that (and you have no proof, of course), then it would lead anyone with a logical mind to assume he WAS NOT in on the deal.
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I believe papa Bush was and maybe he still is one of the most powerful scumbags in the USA. He made sure the Bin Ladens got out of the USA when all other planes were grounded. I'm quite sure papa was in the know about 9-11 like he is on every dirty thing that happens here.

Whether Bush Jr. was in on it or not------- it doesnt matter does it. They pulled off 9-11. The Mossad get to go back to Israel, and not 1 person is in prison or got the death penalty did they??

7/23/2015 1:13:36 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

57channels
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higgy

Twist your words? Are you denying you said the passengers were probably taken away and shot 57?
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I think that is what happened, yes...but not in LA. At some military base close to NYC or Boston or DC. How many of the passengers were fake and didn't exist?? Who knows, but probably many never even existed. Fake planes, fake hijackers, fake flight manifests, fake videos...and some fake passengers. Not too hard to cook the books and change things later on when you got all the power in the world. Flight 11 and Flight 77 never took off that day. So......the feds cooked the books and changed the data on the NTSB PERIOD

7/23/2015 1:22:55 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  
higgy51
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You should write a book. "The Thoughts of a deranged individual" should be a good title.

I noticed you skipped the construction of the Towers 57, you always do that don't you?

You once said that one of the planes was taken out to sea and crashed, or words to that affect.

You said NO planes hit the Towers, srv says one did.

You only THINK the passengers were taken away and shot, THINK, ergo you have NO CONCRETE EVIDENCE do you?

7/23/2015 1:24:35 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

naprinciple
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Quote from 57channels:
higgy

Twist your words? Are you denying you said the passengers were probably taken away and shot 57?
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I think that is what happened, yes...but not in LA. At some military base close to NYC or Boston or DC. How many of the passengers were fake and didn't exist?? Who knows, but probably many never even existed. Fake planes, fake hijackers, fake flight manifests, fake videos...and some fake passengers. Not too hard to cook the books and change things later on when you got all the power in the world. Flight 11 and Flight 77 never took off that day. So......the feds cooked the books and changed the data on the NTSB PERIOD





These lines of questioning are ultimately unproductive, as we can't know what happened, so speculation just muddies the waters.

7/23/2015 1:34:01 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

57channels
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9/11 After 13 years Paul Craig Roberts
September 10, 2014 | Categories: Articles & Columns | Tags: | Print This Article Print This Article
9/11 After 13 years

Paul Craig Roberts

The tragedy of September 11, 2001, goes far beyond the deaths of those who died in the towers and the deaths of firefighters and first responders who succumbed to illnesses caused by inhalation of toxic dust. For thirteen years a new generation of Americans has been born into the 9/11 myth that has been used to create the American warfare/police state.

The corrupt Bush and Obama regimes used 9/11 to kill, maim, dispossess and displace millions of Muslims in seven countries, none of whom had anything whatsoever to do with 9/11.

A generation of Americans has been born into distain and distrust of Muslims.

A generation of Americans has been born into a police state in which privacy and constitutional protections no longer exist.

A generation of Americans has been born into continuous warfare while needs of citizens go unmet.

A generation of Americans has been born into a society in which truth is replaced with the endless repetition of falsehoods.

According to the official story, on September 11, 2001, the vaunted National Security State of the World’s Only Superpower was defeated by a few young Saudi Arabians armed only with box cutters. The American National Security State proved to be totally helpless and was dealt the greatest humiliation ever inflicted on any country claiming to be a power.

That day no aspect of the National Security State worked. Everything failed.

The US Air Force for the first time in its history could not get intercepter jet fighters into the air.

The National Security Council failed.

All sixteen US intelligence agencies failed as did those of America’s NATO and Israeli allies.

Air Traffic Control failed.

Airport Security failed four times at the same moment on the same day. The probability of such a failure is zero.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/10/911-13-years-paul-craig-roberts/


Go ahead kiddies, and rip Mr. Roberts. My favorite author who writes the truth. Im guessing class will call him a nut from Mars or another idiot that has no proof of anything......like gas always does.

7/23/2015 1:51:29 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  
higgy51
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Quote from higgy51:


I noticed you skipped the construction of the Towers 57, you always do that don't you?





Scared of being debunked AGAIN 57?

7/23/2015 2:11:41 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

tragicparrot
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Quote from 57channels:
higgy

Twist your words? Are you denying you said the passengers were probably taken away and shot 57?
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I think that is what happened, yes...but not in LA. At some military base close to NYC or Boston or DC. How many of the passengers were fake and didn't exist?? Who knows, but probably many never even existed. Fake planes, fake hijackers, fake flight manifests, fake videos...and some fake passengers. Not too hard to cook the books and change things later on when you got all the power in the world. Flight 11 and Flight 77 never took off that day. So......the feds cooked the books and changed the data on the NTSB PERIOD


Here's the issue 57channels. You always "think" something happened, or you "believe" something occurred, because really, you cannot provide a shred of evidence that implicates those you suggest were "in on it". You use this "think/believe" crap as a way to cover your a** just in case you might end up dead wrong. Your asinine claim "flights 11 and 77 never took off that day" along with "the feds cooked the books" nonsense was one of your first claims. Which to this day, you have no evidence of. Period. Since then, you've done nothing but present numerous questions as if doing so were some form of evidence in a plot so ridiculously huge, I could see funwithmusic blushing from here.

As for Mr. Roberts. He's basically just another Alex Jones > Richard Gage government conspiracy fanatic who's only interest in 911 is utilizing the very same rhetoric his predecessors did for the sole purpose of lining his pockets. What else could explain his recent book? What a moron for thinking anything truthful should need to be paid for. F him.

7/23/2015 2:25:44 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

tragicparrot
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Oh, and one more thing 57channels. The series of 911 events as you've described them don't even coincide with those made by Mr Roberts. Now, about that evidence to support all your claims?

7/23/2015 2:29:48 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

louie6332
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Class5, your assertion that fires brought down these buildings is laughable. Explosions and the flashes from sequential explosions WERE observed and noted by rescue workers and by those who survived the ordeal, and the eye witness testamony is documented on videos, and the explosions can also be seen and heard on the videos of the falling towers, together with plumbs from the explosions. And buildings that fall down on their own, do not crumble down into ruins at near free fall speeds INTO THEIR OWN FOOTPRINTS. Preplaced demolition charges and careful planning are required to achieve that. But you just dismiss that too. The Government’s official cover story is so full of holes and contradictions that it is laughable, but you just dismiss that too. I hope they are paying you enough to make a total fool out of yourself.

Progrocknic, oh ye Atheistic Godless Liberal, you say: “I want to see evidence. I can't believe in something without evidence. That's why I'm not religious.” Well, what in the Hell do you want, do you want molten metal from the Towers to be delivered to your kitchen table so that you can examine it? Get real. Atheists, including yourself, have no proof that God does not exist, for it is not possible to prove an absolute negative, they take that on faith and faith alone. Atheism IS their faith, their religion. And you are also taking the Government’s cover story on faith, and faith alone. You see, Progrocknic, for you, it’s all faith, and it depends on whom you choose to believe. Do you believe those eyewitnesses who heard and saw the explosions and who saw the molten metal pouring from the towers and the molten metal in the basement of the ruins of the towers, or are you going to believe the Government?

Let me underline that, you take the nonexistence of God on faith, because no evidence or proof exists that he does not exist, and you take the Government’s cover story for 9-11 on faith, despite the fact that the Government’s story is full of holes and contradictions, and despite the fact that the Government has an official policy of “disinformation”: “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false” (William Casey, CIA director 1981-1987, from first staff meeting in 1981)”. Those who control our Government today are Satanists, is that why you, an avowed atheist, are siding with them? Are you and they comrades? You are awfully selective about whom you believe. Concerning 9-11, you refuse to believe eye-witnesses, but you believe instead a Government that has an avowed policy of lying to its own people. And you view yourself as “rational”? Get real.

Louie

7/23/2015 2:33:45 PM Mount Arlington, NJ  

srv63
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Well then, perhaps you can find it for us. Feel free to post your evidence. Why let us hold you back?


Loads of evidence has already been posted here so if your too lazy to look it up, tough shit shill



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