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Actually, that was my error. My mistake as I didn't check. Dr. Millette works for the company, MVA Scientific Consultants. It was a long time ago for God's sake. Anyway, the Millette study disproves the Jones/Harritt paper.

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6/25/2015 9:49:13 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
funwithmusic Chapel Hill, NC 60, joined Feb. 2007	Quote from progrocknic: You're just full of fairy tales aren't you. BOOK OF TITUS..CHAPTER ONE "PAY NO ATTENTION TO JEWISH FAIRY TALES..THEY SAY THEY KNOW GOD..BUT DO NOT..THEIR WORKS ARE REPROBATE.. Reprobate means doomed..
6/25/2015 9:59:15 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from funwithmusic: Silly fool..I just posted an entire page of proof...people who studied the event...Military..Scientists..etc...SEE HOW YOU TELL MANY LIES... Now pay attention and read this slowly. I debunked this garbage ages ago and you didn't even open the link. Do you really think I'm going go through all that again? Why would I bother with you? No, if you can't keep up with the discussion it's your problem. That crap you posted is old rubbish that predates the ANETA study, therefore it is invalid. The ANETA study proved Jones & Harritt wrong, and I've posted all the material required to debunk this nonsense and if you are too slack to read it, that is only your fault not mine. I don't care if you do or you don't, but I'm not jumping through hoops because you are inherently lazy. It's that simple, and if you took the time to be updated on the subject, you'd be aware of the recent advances against the lies of 9/11 truth. But you won't, and you will trot out the same old debunked canards like that Louie idiot did. How's that 747? lolol How's that engine cleverly disguised as landing gear? lolol [Edited 6/25/2015 10:01:21 PM ]
6/25/2015 10:00:00 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from progrocknic: There's no place in Heaven for cowardly trolls. It's a f**king lunatic.
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class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from funwithmusic: MUSIC..I just went there to ANETA.ORG...its a 9/11 TRUTHER SITE...AND SUPPORTS EVERYTHING I HAVE SHOWN YOU...THE SAME FACES..ORGANIZATIONS....
6/25/2015 10:23:08 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Link to the Millette study started in 2013: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64959841/9119ProgressReport022912_rev1_030112webHiRes.pdf "Progress Report of Results: MVA9119 Analysis of Red/Gray Chips in WTC Dust Introduction This report summarizes the results to date of the analyses of red/gray chips found in samples of dust generated by the World Trade Center (WTC) disaster of 11 September 2001. MVA Scientific Consultants was requested by Mr. Chris Mohr of Classical Guide to scientifically study red/gray chips from WTC dust that matched those presented in a paper by Harrit et al., 2009,1 which concluded that thermitic material was present in the WTC dust. Mr. Mohr was unable to gain access to any samples used in the Harrit study so four samples were chosen from the archives of MVA Scientific Consultants. These dust samples had been collected within a month of 11 September 2001 and sent to MVA for different projects. They are identified by the sample numbers shown below and on the New York City map shown in Figure 1. The red/gray chips discussed in this report were analyzed during the period from 18 November 2011 to 20 February 2012. Some analytical results characterizing the particles in the dust from two of the samples (4808-L1616 and 9119-X0135) had been previously published in the scientific literature. 2,3 Fig. 1 MVA # Date Collected Sample Location Map No. 4808-L1616 28 September 2001 22 Cortlandt St. 1 4795-L1560 22 September 2001 Murray & Church St. 2 5230-M3451 15-16 September 2001 49 Ann St. 3 9119-X0135 07 October 2001 33 Maiden Lane 4 Methods In order to confirm that the samples chosen had the characteristics of WTC dust, the samples were examined by stereomicroscope and by polarized light microscopy (PLM) according to the procedures described in Turner et al., 20054 (Figures 2 and 3). The analytical procedures used to characterize the red/gray chips were based on the criteria for the particles of interest in accordance with the recommended guidelines for forensic identification of explosives5 and the ASTM standard guide for forensic paint analysis and comparison.6 The criteria for the particles of interest as described by Harrit et al.1 are: small red/gray chips attracted by a magnet and showing an elemental composition primarily of aluminum, silicon and iron as determined by scanning electron microscopy and x-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (SEM-EDS) (Figure 4). The spectrum may also contain small peaks related to other elements. To that end, the following protocol was performed on each of the four WTC dust samples. 1. The dust sample particles contained in a plastic bag were drawn across a magnet and those attracted to the magnet were collected (Figure 5). 9119ProgressReport022912s Page 3 of 21 2. Using a stereomicroscope, particle chips showing the characteristic red/gray were removed and washed in clean water. 3. The particles were dried and mounted on a carbon adhesive film on an SEM stub and photographed (Figure 5). 4. Analysis of the surfaces of the chips was done by SEM-EDS at 20 kV without any added conductive coating (Figures 6 and 7). Red/gray particles that matched the criteria (attracted to a magnet and an EDS Al-Si-Fe spectrum) were then considered particles of interest and subjected to additional analytical testing. The additional tests included: Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy (FTIR); SEM-EDS of cross-sections; low temperature ashing and residue analysis by transmission electron microscopy (TEM) with selected area electron diffraction (SAED) and EDS; muffle furnace ashing and residue analysis by PLM and TEM-SAED-EDS; ultra-microtome sectioning of the red layer and analysis by TEM-SAED-EDS; and solvent tests. Stereomicroscopy was done using either an Olympus SZ-40 stereomicroscope or a Wild M5-49066 stereomicroscope. Polarized light microscope (PLM) examination of the dusts and ashed residue was done with an Olympus BH-2 PLM or an aus Jena Jenapol PLM. Scanning electron microscope (SEM) analysis of the surfaces of red/gray chips was done using a JEOL Model JSM-6490LV SEM coupled with a Thermo Scientific Noran System SIX x-ray energy dispersive spectrometer (EDS). Digital x-ray images and phase mapping was also done with this instrument. Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy (FTIR) was performed with a SensIR FTIR equipped with a diamond ATR objective and attached to an Olympus BX-51 compound microscope. Cross-sections of the chips of interest were made with clean scalpel blades. The analysis of cross-sections was done with a JEOL Model JSM-6500F field emission SEM with a Thermo Scientific Noran System SIX EDS system. Low-temperature ashing (LTA) is an alternative to using solvents to extract inorganic constituents from an organic film or coating.6 LTA of the chips of interest was done using an SPI Plasma Prep II plasma asher. LTA was performed for time periods of 30 minutes to 1 hour depending on the size of the chip. The gray layer remained intact and the red layer residue was collected in clean water and drops of the suspension were placed on carbon-film TEM grids. After drying, the particulate was analyzed using a Philips CM120 TEM capable of SAED and equipped with an Oxford EDS system. Chips of interest were ashed in a muffle furnace using a NEY Temperature Programmable furnace operated at 400oC for 1 hour. The gray layer remained intact and the red layer residue was prepared as described above and analyzed using a Philips CM120 TEM-SAED-EDS. Ultra-thin sections of a red layer were cut using a Reichert-Jung Ultracut E Ultramicrotome with a diamond knife. The ultra-thin sections were placed directly on TEM grids and analyzed using a Philips EM 420 TEM-SAED-EDS. Samples of red/gray chips were placed in several solvents overnight and then subjected to ultrasonic agitation to determine if the solvents could dissolve the epoxy binder and liberate the internal particles. The solvents included methylene chloride, methyl ethyl ketone (MEK), and two commercial paint strippers used for epoxy resins. The commercial paint strippers, Klean-Strip KS-3 Premium Stripper and Jasco Premium Paint and Epoxy Remover, contain methylene chloride, methanol and mineral spirits. One red/gray chip was subjected to 55 hours of submersion in MEK, then dried and coated with a thin layer of gold for conductivity. The red layer was analyzed by SEM-EDS analysis using an advanced x-ray phase mapping technique. The technique uses a multivariate statistical analysis program to find spectral-similar regions in a spectral imaging acquisition. It analyzes the spectrum at each pixel location and then groups the pixels with similar spectra into principal components or phases. __________________
6/25/2015 10:24:22 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Double post [Edited 6/25/2015 10:24:41 PM ]
6/25/2015 10:52:03 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from funwithmusic:ZIOINST JEWS ARE THE NUMBER ONE SUSPECT IN THE WTC 9/11 ATTACKS..SO..IM STILL ON SUBJECT.. That's funny because the thread title is "WTC truth ATTACKS on Pentagon. Destroying the EVIDENCE against them!" and you just post blatant Anti-Semitic hate propaganda. Weird. I would like your opinion on MVA's study which failed to find elemental aluminium in the supposed residue. All thermitic reactions leave large amounts of elemental aluminium in the residue. Jones and Harritt couldn't find any, nor could Millette. That is odd don't you think? It would certainly nail this if J & H found it, but they didn't and they jumped to a conclusion because they are nutters. The Bentham paper by Jones, Harritt & Farrer was bought and paid for and didn't undergo peer review. The editor of the Bentham journal was sacked over the resulting uproar regarding this abuse. However, while having said that, there is ample peer review for the NIST report in the form of 50 academic papers in support of the NIST report. http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/294k95/compilation_of_scientific_literature_that/ How do you account for the difference? [Edited 6/25/2015 10:52:36 PM ]
6/25/2015 11:42:14 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: You've offered no compelling evidence, just silly rants, false accusations, and plenty of grandiose whoopdedo about how your going to counter then bury people. Either you can show proof that thermite was used to support a controlled demolition, or that $2.3 mill is to this day still missing, or your simply a disinformation agent attempting to let 19 terrorist off the hook. So which is it? Yup, 19 terrorists pulled off 9/11 with crashing 4 airliners and all of them poor hijackers gave their lives for the cause and to the holy allah. Only problem is 6 of the hijackers PROVEN wimped out of there self sacrifice and the 13 virgins and decided to use their parachutes instead to make a safe escape along with their many frequent flyer miles to obtain new airline tickets back to Saudi Arabia where they could go back to their own lives.What do you have to say now shills because these facts of the SUPPOSED HIJACKERS IS PROVEN!!!!!!!!!!
6/25/2015 11:51:22 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: I don't even believe it's rust, I'm just humouring you because its fun. You need a fking education in logic and reason. LOL You can't PROVE it's rust, therefore YOU fail, moron. Just because some Inbred thinks he can see rust doesn't mean shit to me fktard. What a time waster. Guess what fktard, that RUST on that fuselage on the roof of wtc5 is RUST until you fktards prove otherwise or else your handlers prove to me it's not RUST. You f**kin morons, i have seen enough RUST in my life and KNOW DAMN WELL WHAT RUST LOOKS LIKE so until you prove otherwise, that shit on that fuselage is RUST!!!!! Try debunking me on that RUST then I WILL BURY YOUR ASSES!!!!!
6/25/2015 11:58:49 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: I don't even believe it's rust, I'm just humouring you because its fun. You need a fking education in logic and reason. LOL You can't PROVE it's rust, therefore YOU fail, moron. Just because some Inbred thinks he can see rust doesn't mean shit to me fktard. What a time waster. Guess what CuPcAkE, i have solid proof it's rust and i have solid proof them numbers are painted on a SHEETMETAL fuselage. You idiots better look a hell of allot closer before moving forward Btw, tell your handlers it's too late to switch pics because that ones already been copied and mass shared
6/26/2015 12:24:26 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Maybe you're just a douchebag? Why did you feel it necessary to post these libels? Does it make you feel superior? Did it make you feel like a man? What's wrong noclass, did louie get too close to exposing the real you? Sucks looking in a mirror huh
6/26/2015 12:27:01 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from progrocknic: There you go, smelling your own farts again. And like I said. No face = coward. Why this dim-wit pro is even in a debate forum makes no damn sense to me
6/26/2015 12:36:50 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Trolling again arsehole? Try countering the evidence Dipshit. Counter the evidence of the SHEETMETAL fuselage that YOU posted shill. Your so damn busy attacking fun and demanding that she focus on the evidence, focus on the evidence yourself CrEaMpUfF so here's your chance.EXPLAIN the RUST on that fuselage
6/26/2015 12:49:25 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Guess what fktard, that RUST on that fuselage on the roof of wtc5 is RUST until you fktards prove otherwise or else your handlers prove to me it's not RUST. You f**kin morons, i have seen enough RUST in my life and KNOW DAMN WELL WHAT RUST LOOKS LIKE so until you prove otherwise, that shit on that fuselage is RUST!!!!! Try debunking me on that RUST then I WILL BURY YOUR ASSES!!!!!::zen You haven't demonstrated that it is rust yet. You missed that step. [Edited 6/26/2015 12:49:45 AM ]
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class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Guess what CuPcAkE, i have solid proof it's rust and i have solid proof them numbers are painted on a SHEETMETAL fuselage. You idiots better look a hell of allot closer before moving forward You haven't actually demonstrated that it is rust yet. You forgot that bit. Btw, tell your handlers it's too late to switch pics because that ones already been copied and mass shared Why would you post something so stupid? Who gives a f**k if it's shared?
6/26/2015 12:54:26 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: What's wrong noclass, did louie get too close to exposing the real you? No, I was astounded that a man of his advanced years made it this far in life being so dense. Amazing. Sucks looking in a mirror huh You're telling this story, Otis. LOLOL
6/26/2015 12:56:26 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Counter the evidence of the SHEETMETAL fuselage that YOU posted shill. Your so damn busy attacking fun and demanding that she focus on the evidence, focus on the evidence yourself CrEaMpUfF so here's your chance.EXPLAIN the RUST on that fuselage You have yet to demonstrate it is rust. What's taking you so long, Merle? You seem to ignore the process, why is that? Why are you stalling on this simple task? [Edited 6/26/2015 12:57:08 AM ]
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class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Hey SRV (why did you have to choose HIS initials?) Why is this supposed rust (ruddy material) also all over the ground around the part? Oooh, that might suggest it's not rust, but some form of dust. Think about it. Why is the part 'shedding' rust? That's all you're getting on this dumbass. I've indulged your little fantasy enough here. a) You have the burden of proof to demonstrate the ruddy material is actually rust. b) You then have to demonstrate it is the part itself rusting, or not some other part that covered it before it was exposed under the rubble. c) If you are unable to do that, then you have to demonstrate that it was actually planted (e.g. CCTV footage; stills from the supplied video etc.). You have the burden of proof on all the above Otis, not me.
6/26/2015 1:44:08 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
funwithmusic Chapel Hill, NC 60, joined Feb. 2007	youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_Hu1hcsa4 'Marching to Zion' Full - Christian Zionism and 1948 Israel Exposed! Learn that what the true religion of the Jews is...and know that they are quite capable and willing to blow up the WTC in order to achieve their objective..
6/26/2015 2:56:42 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from funwithmusic:...and know that they are quite capable and willing to blow up the WTC in order to achieve their objective.. And what does that actually mean in real terms? Absolutely nothing. You reckon it's 'da jooz', the other morons reckon it's 'da gubmint'. There are many organisations and groups capable of committing 9/11 (al-Qaeda springs to mind), so your post is just desperate attempt to implicate by innuendo and quite pathetic in its transparency. Again, this is just another distraction from the evidence against 9/11 truth.
6/26/2015 3:07:50 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
funwithmusic Chapel Hill, NC 60, joined Feb. 2007	“What we need to stand up and say is not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it. I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at it’s headquarters, Marine Corps and I made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period.” Dr. Alan Sabrosky (A 'good'Jew himself) – Ph.D, University of Michigan, Former Director of Studies at the Army War College =========================================================== “All the intelligence services of America and Europe… know full well that the disastrous attack ( of 9/11 ) has been planned and realized from the Mossad.. with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the Western Powers to? take part… in Iraq and Afghanistan.” Francesco Cossiga – the 43rd Prime Minister and the eighth President of the Italy. He was also a professor of constitutional law at the University of Sassari. (now deceased) ================================================================= “For the best and bravest documentary about Israeli false flag terror, watch filmmaker Mike Delaney’s 9/11 Missing Links.” Capt Eric May – Former Army Intelligence (with specialties in nuclear, biological and chemical warfare, military intelligence and public affairs), Staff Writer For VeteransTodays.com (He is also a former NBC editorial writer who has published widely, from Military Intelligence Magazine to The Wall Street Journal) ===================================== HERES THREE HIGH PROFILE MEN WHO BOLDLY SAY ZIONIST JEWS DID WTC 9/11... ALSO IN MISSING LINKS...IT TELLS US TTHAT EVEN DIASPORA JEWS ARE SAYANIM...HELPING PULL OFF THESE FALSE FLAG ATTACKS.. ALL JEWS STICK TOGETHER...THEY ALL READ THE BABYLON TALMUD...THEY ARE ALL THE ENEMIES OF MANKIND..DUE TO THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.. THEY ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS RACE ON EARTH..DANGEROUS TO MANKIND. DUE TO THEIR WILL TO MURDER ALL NON JEWS.
6/26/2015 3:15:33 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from funwithmusic:“What we need to stand up and say is not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it. I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at it’s headquarters, Marine Corps and I made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period.” Dr. Alan Sabrosky (A 'good'Jew himself) – Ph.D, University of Michigan, Former Director of Studies at the Army War College Opinion, no evidence. And another muppet from Veteran's Today, the site in which the editor admitted he didn't know if the material he published was factual and truthful. “All the intelligence services of America and Europe… know full well that the disastrous attack ( of 9/11 ) has been planned and realized from the Mossad.. with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the Western Powers to? take part… in Iraq and Afghanistan.” Francesco Cossiga – the 43rd Prime Minister and the eighth President of the Italy. He was also a professor of constitutional law at the University of Sassari. (now deceased) An obviously poorly edited opinion piece, not evidence. Capt Eric May – Former Army Intelligence (with specialties in nuclear, biological and chemical warfare, military intelligence and public affairs), Staff Writer For VeteransTodays.com (He is also a former NBC editorial writer who has published widely, from Military Intelligence Magazine to The Wall Street Journal) Veteran's Today. 'nuff said. All sounds pretty desperate to me, but whatever.
6/26/2015 3:29:38 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
funwithmusic Chapel Hill, NC 60, joined Feb. 2007	Do you understand Car terminology??? The daughter says to her father: "Dad there is something that my boyfriend said to me, that I didn't understand. He said that I 'have a beautiful chassis, lovely airbags and a fantastic bumper." Her Dad said, "You tell your boyfriend that if he opens your bonnet and tries to check your oil with his dipstick, I will tighten his nuts so hard that his headlights will pop out and he will start leaking out of his exhaust pipe."
6/26/2015 3:31:28 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
funwithmusic Chapel Hill, NC 60, joined Feb. 2007	Quote from class5:[]Quote from funwithmusic:“What we need to stand up and say is not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it. I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at it’s headquarters, Marine Corps and I made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period.” Dr. Alan Sabrosky (A 'good'Jew himself) – Ph.D, University of Michigan, Former Director of Studies at the Army War College Opinion, no evidence. And another muppet from Veteran's Today, the site in which the editor admitted he didn't know if the material he published was factual and truthful. “All the intelligence services of America and Europe… know full well that the disastrous attack ( of 9/11 ) has been planned and realized from the Mossad.. with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the Western Powers to? take part… in Iraq and Afghanistan.” Francesco Cossiga – the 43rd Prime Minister and the eighth President of the Italy. He was also a professor of constitutional law at the University of Sassari. (now deceased) An obviously poorly edited opinion piece, not evidence. Capt Eric May – Former Army Intelligence (with specialties in nuclear, biological and chemical warfare, military intelligence and public affairs), Staff Writer For VeteransTodays.com (He is also a former NBC editorial writer who has published widely, from Military Intelligence Magazine to The Wall Street Journal) Veteran's Today. 'nuff said. All sounds pretty desperate to me, but whatever. MUSIC...well..it sure kicked your ass..made you eat your words Did they taste good?.....your words are usually bullshit...So was it yummy to you?
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class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from funwithmusic:MUSIC...well..it sure kicked your ass..made you eat your words How so? Interesting that you would reach such a conclusion based purely on my response. Basically, what part of 'opinion, not evidence' do you not understand? Anyway, we were discussing the physical evidence for UA 175, and I'd rather not indulge any more distractions away from the physical evidence if you don't mind. My mistake, and I should not have replied to your post. I want to see the next fallacious response to the material evidence I presented a few days ago. It should be good.
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barrydalmi Baltimore, MD 52, joined Dec. 2007	The random "all caps" and "bold" give it away.
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naprinciple West Plains, MO 46, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from barrydalmi: The random "all caps" and "bold" give it away. What does your ad hominem attack tell us about you?
6/26/2015 8:32:49 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
barrydalmi Baltimore, MD 52, joined Dec. 2007	That you think you know what ad hominem means...
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57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	Fun you take the time and list the opinions of veterans pilots scholars architects engineers for truth. That is very admirable. our hope for that is that people sitting in the middle of the fence might take heed and start waking up. it's hard to believe everyone has a woke up but a lot of people got their heads in the sand. nothing matters to this class Joker. or for that part the other two kitty cats. their paychecks are on the line so they can go nowhere near the nail of truth
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57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	how about that jim miegs stooge who tried to debunk the conspiracy theories and stick up for 911 for that Popular Mechanics piece of propaganda. I bet if Jimmy got hooked up to a lie detector test and the guy asked him "Jim do you believe one word you said on that Popular Mechanics show you did trying to back up the official lie? " I bet a dollar to a donut that Jim Miwgs would fail the test.of course that would never be allowed to happen that is just an illusion just like 911 an illusionary Mobley
6/26/2015 12:33:01 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from 57channels: Fun you take the time and list the opinions of veterans pilots scholars architects engineers for truth. That is very admirable. our hope for that is that people sitting in the middle of the fence might take heed and start waking up. it's hard to believe everyone has a woke up but a lot of people got their heads in the sand. nothing matters to this class Joker. or for that part the other two kitty cats. their paychecks are on the line so they can go nowhere near the nail of truth Once again, AE911Truth was addressed earlier in the thread..... "There is and never will be an AIA endorsement of these foolish and anti-rational theories of Richard Gage and AE911Truth. Buyer, beware." Linky... http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/?page=Architects%2520and%2520Engineers%2520for%2520911%2520Truth&redirectpage=AE911Truth Truther's might also like this... "Independent Study Confirms Red/Gray Chips in WTC Dust NOT Thermite" Linky... http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/2012/arguments/independent-study-confirms-redgray-chips-in-wtc-dust-not-thermite/
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tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Also, a video by Chris Mohr who's been more than instrumental in helping solve any questions surrounding claims that "thermite" may have been used in a 911 controlled demolition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGGJ4xzna8o&feature=youtu.be You can contact Chris Mohr either through his Youtube video (yes, that's his real name), or via his thread (Chris Mohr's YouTube Part 23 Epilogue: WTC Dust Update; Saying Goodbye to 9/11 Truth) which can be found at the ISF (International Skeptics Forum). Membership there is free. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumindex.php
6/26/2015 4:21:55 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	And just in case your too lazy to venture off Datehookup, here's Chris Mohr's thread at ISP... http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293443
6/26/2015 6:39:51 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
louie6332 Falkville, AL 73, joined Nov. 2011	Class5, reference your posts, page 115 (this thread is exploding, I can’t keep up with it), you say to my statement: “and explosions were seen and heard in rapid sequence from the top floors to the bottom, you know, just like you see when a building is professionally demolished”: "Incorrect, and I've only heard that applied to 7WTC, but that is a massive subject which I've already posted a thread on." No, I SAW explosions MYSELF in the videos, and HEARD them, and so did anyone with eyes to see. All three buildings were professionally demolished with explosives. Class5, you say to my statement: “And the third building came crumbling down after its owner was heard giving the order “pull it”, which is trade language for “demolish it”. "False: Both are myths. Larry Silverstein had no authority to order the fire dept. to stop the operation. That contravenes protocol and allows the fire dept to be implicated in insurance fraud. Nope, that's a myth too." Class5, I HEARD him say this myself. I’m a witness that that is what was said. There is something you should know about me: I decided years ago that I would NOT lie. If I don’t want someone to know something, I will not tell them, but I will not lie. I hate lies! And I hate the lies and dishonesty that are coming from your mouth and your keyboard. To use your words, your dishonestly "is profound". Does your consulting service know how dishonest you are? That can’t be good for your business. If you would lie in your posts, you would lie to your clients. Oh, and I am sure your BS degrees in ancient history and journalism make you an expert on physics, chemistry, and building demolition. But you don't have to be a rocket scientists to know that the planes did not bring down the three towers. You know they didn't. And if you are “profoundly dishonest” in this matter, you can’t be trusted in anything. And progrocknic, you say: “Yeah, I never post anti-government posts.” Yeah, if you are not being sarcastic, you have outed yourself, you are a government apologist. Funwithmusic, with all due respect, no one could have pulled off 9-11 WITHOUT the complicity of the US government, and we have proof that the US government was involved. They discovered the Muslim plot to crash airplanes into the towers through their operation Code named ABLE DANGER and another, and they then took the plot over to make it more effective, MUCH more effective, for they needed such an attack on America to get the American people behind their planned Middle Eastern War. It was a US government false flag operation. There is a story to be told here, but I won't get into it here. The important thing to note here is that it did NOT happen as the Government said it did. They lied. Louie [Edited 6/26/2015 6:41:02 PM ]
6/26/2015 6:48:04 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
juma2112 Wheat Ridge, CO 50, joined Jan. 2011	Quote from louie6332: Class5, reference your posts, page 115 (this thread is exploding, I can’t keep up with it), you say to my statement: “and explosions were seen and heard in rapid sequence from the top floors to the bottom, you know, just like you see when a building is professionally demolished”: "Incorrect, and I've only heard that applied to 7WTC, but that is a massive subject which I've already posted a thread on." No, I SAW explosions MYSELF in the videos, and HEARD them, and so did anyone with eyes to see. All three buildings were professionally demolished with explosives. Class5, you say to my statement: “And the third building came crumbling down after its owner was heard giving the order “pull it”, which is trade language for “demolish it”. "False: Both are myths. Larry Silverstein had no authority to order the fire dept. to stop the operation. That contravenes protocol and allows the fire dept to be implicated in insurance fraud. Nope, that's a myth too." Class5, I HEARD him say this myself. I’m a witness that that is what was said. There is something you should know about me: I decided years ago that I would NOT lie. If I don’t want someone to know something, I will not tell them, but I will not lie. I hate lies! And I hate the lies and dishonesty that are coming from your mouth and your keyboard. To use your words, your dishonestly "is profound". Does your consulting service know how dishonest you are? That can’t be good for your business. If you would lie in your posts, you would lie to your clients. Oh, and I am sure your BS degrees in ancient history and journalism make you an expert on physics, chemistry, and building demolition. But you don't have to be a rocket scientists to know that the planes did not bring down the three towers. You know they didn't. And if you are “profoundly dishonest” in this matter, you can’t be trusted in anything. And progrocknic, you say: “Yeah, I never post anti-government posts.” Yeah, if you are not being sarcastic, you have outed yourself, you are a government apologist. Funwithmusic, with all due respect, no one could have pulled off 9-11 WITHOUT the complicity of the US government, and we have proof that the US government was involved. They discovered the Muslim plot to crash airplanes into the towers through their operation Code named ABLE DANGER and another, and they then took the plot over to make it more effective, MUCH more effective, for they needed such an attack on America to get the American people behind their planned Middle Eastern War. It was a US government false flag operation. There is a story to be told here, but I won't get into it here. The important thing to note here is that it did NOT happen as the Government said it did. They lied. Louie Why was it the U.S. gov. want to go into Afghanistan, I forgot?
6/26/2015 7:12:15 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	juma Why was it the U.S. gov. want to go into Afghanistan, I forgot? =================================================== 90% of the worlds heroin are in the mountains in Afghanistan. Now since the Taliban is out of power...and Hamid Karzai is the puppet President of Aghanistan...the farmers can grow poppies which the CIA will make trillions off of. Then you have the pipeline [ Unocal which Karzai used to work for ] from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan into friendly Pakistan. Oil & poppies
6/26/2015 7:16:02 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
juma2112 Wheat Ridge, CO 50, joined Jan. 2011	Where was the heroin comming from while the Taliban was in power? And why not blame it on a more oil rich country? [Edited 6/26/2015 7:17:41 PM ]
6/26/2015 7:17:49 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from louie6332: No, I SAW explosions MYSELF in the videos, and HEARD them, and so did anyone with eyes to see. All three buildings were professionally demolished with explosives...... snip What video's are you referring to Louie? And how does this explain the airplane sized holes left in WTC I,II, and the Pentagon? Why go through all the trouble of making it look as though planes impacted these structures, much less use holograms, missiles and orbs as funwith's, 57chan's, and SRV's previous claimed, as opposed to just blowing them up, then blaming it on Osama Bin Laden? Seems a bit risky, doesn't it?
6/26/2015 7:47:17 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	And regarding any of the "Loose change" BS that might be used as a reference here... You'd think that if the US Government could justify slaughtering thousands of their own innocent civilians, they would have no problem with silencing two kids (much less those who frequent Datehookup)) who "uncovered" their "conspiracy".
6/26/2015 8:34:08 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	tragic Why go through all the trouble of making it look as though planes impacted these structures, much less use holograms, missiles and orbs as funwith's, 57chan's, and SRV's previous claimed, as opposed to just blowing them up, then blaming it on Osama Bin Laden? Seems a bit risky, doesn't it? ============================================================ Blow them up?? How on earth could some terrorists blow them up without the whole public saying WTF?? How could they take out both huge towers and have them not topple over and kill people nearby ect.ect??? The perps planned this out for years and said " Gee, the only way we can get rid of both huge towers is to fool the sheeple by using fake planes and say the planes were full of jet fuel to melt the steel columns?? The public is sooo stupid they will buy it. Have the Mossad plant explosives inside the towers on certain floor and have our military fire missile into each spot on each tower. Make sure CNN adds those horrified voices because we gotta nuke the towers so Larry can get his money, and we can get our never ending phony war on terror. If those 2 big towers and #7 are NOT totally destroyed.......the public's outrage will subside after a short while....so we must micro nuke the big ones and demo #7.
6/26/2015 8:41:34 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	Of course I think the plan was for the projectors or camera's to show another fake plane crash into WTC #7.........but the camera's most likely malfunctioned....so they had to go to plan B and demo WTC #7 some 5-6 hours later....and say that fire brought down #7 2 small tiny fires brought down WTC #7.... the BBC said WTC #7 collapsed when it was right there in the background too. Then NIST says WTC #7 collapsed due to fire The rest of the world must be saying : Goodness what a bunch of fodder are the American people??
6/26/2015 9:26:05 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from 57channels: Of course I think the plan was for the projectors or camera's to show another fake plane crash into WTC #7.........but the camera's most likely malfunctioned.... Seriously? And might I ask, from which location would "they" have departed from to finish off WTC7? Please provide us a flight number. Any number will do.
6/26/2015 9:27:53 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
juma2112 Wheat Ridge, CO 50, joined Jan. 2011	I'm still wondering why go to so much trouble for afghan heroin? The cost of war cuts the profit margin in half (or more) plenty of countries to get heroin without the high overhead. Or why not exploit the meth market? Ur theory is bad biz, and makes no sense. [Edited 6/26/2015 9:28:17 PM ]
6/27/2015 1:57:29 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from louie6332: No, I SAW explosions MYSELF in the videos, and HEARD them, and so did anyone with eyes to see. All three buildings were professionally demolished with explosives. Class5, I HEARD him say this myself. I’m a witness that that is what was said. Two points ne3ed addressing here: ONE: What video's? Link Please. TWO: You were a witness to him saying "Pull It"? You mean that you were actually there and actually heard him say it?
6/27/2015 2:02:20 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from 57channels: Have the Mossad plant explosives inside the towers on certain floor and have our military fire missile into each spot on each tower. . Where were these "missiles" fired from? I have asked this of you many times, but not once can you provide a logical answer or even a place where they were fired from. I wonder how no witness even ever saw a missile flying over their heads on it's way to the Towers.
6/27/2015 2:09:14 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
aposorichie Berwyn, IL 59, joined Jan. 2009	They were shoulder fired by giant jews. They had the new holographic avoidance system. It was the first series.
6/27/2015 8:02:37 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
naprinciple West Plains, MO 46, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from tragicparrot: And regarding any of the "Loose change" BS that might be used as a reference here... You'd think that if the US Government could justify slaughtering thousands of their own innocent civilians, they would have no problem with silencing two kids (much less those who frequent Datehookup)) who "uncovered" their "conspiracy". They don't have to silence 911 truthers. Most sheeple are too brainwashed to even consider that psychopaths in government are capable of such horror. It took me 7 years before I was even willing to question the official story, then once I started looking into it, it still took time to come to grips with that conclusion.
6/27/2015 8:29:12 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from naprinciple: They don't have to silence 911 truthers. Most sheeple are too brainwashed to even consider that psychopaths in government are capable of such horror. It took me 7 years before I was even willing to question the official story, then once I started looking into it, it still took time to come to grips with that conclusion. If it took you 7 years to question the official story then its no wonder you continue to base your "conclusion" on false claims and outright lies. Its now been 14 years whereas your "truthers" still haven't proven s**t.
6/27/2015 11:45:38 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
louie6332 Falkville, AL 73, joined Nov. 2011	Huggy, you say to me concerning the order to pull WWC building number 7: “TWO: You were a witness to him saying "Pull It"? You mean that you were actually there and actually heard him say it?” No, I heard him say it on the audio of the news’s report at the time and on the PBS report,, and which is now documented on YouTube video and is there for anyone to hear. And the owner of WTC building 7 Larry Silverstein admits to giving the order to “pull” the building, and we have his admission documented on video. Go and watch and hear it for yourself, see for example, the video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3E-26oVIIs And the video of building 7 collapsing clearly shows the building was demolished. See the link: www.infowars.com/new-building-7-collapse-video-clearly-shows And keep in mind that in order for the building to be demolished, the explosives had to have been ALREADY in place. And he pulled it when people were still in the building. Higgy, you are NOT doing your research, you are just taking the government's word for everything. “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false” (William Casey, CIA director 1981-1987, from first staff meeting in 1981)”. Louie
6/27/2015 11:52:46 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from louie6332: Huggy, you say to me concerning the order to pull WWC building number 7: “TWO: You were a witness to him saying "Pull It"? You mean that you were actually there and actually heard him say it?” No, I heard him say it on the audio of the news’s report at the time and on the PBS report,, Higgy, you are NOT doing your research, you are just taking the government's word for everything. So you never actually heard him say it, you heard it along with the rest of us, from the TV or YouTube. No research? I will debate you on any subject in connection with 9/11. If you have a logical mind (highly doubtful considering you appear to be a Conspiracy Theorist) you will understand that 99% of CT claims have been debunked. Go on Louie, give me your best shot.
6/27/2015 11:59:57 AM	Mount Arlington, NJ
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from louie6332: Huggy, you say to me concerning the order to pull WWC building number 7: “TWO: You were a witness to him saying "Pull It"? You mean that you were actually there and actually heard him say it?” Additional evidence of Silverstein’s intent to demolish Building 7 emerged in a 2010 Fox News article written by journalist Jeffrey Scott Shapiro. [v] In that article, Shapiro reports that on September 11, 2001, Silverstein had a discussion with his insurance carrier about demolishing Building 7. Specifically, Shapiro states: “Shortly before the building [Building 7] collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein…was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building – since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall. A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the building’s imminent collapse and potentially save lives. Many law enforcement personnel, firefighters and other journalists were aware of this possible option.” Shapiro’s statement should be given extra weight because it goes against his own interest. The goal of his article (entitled “Shame On Jesse Ventura!”) was to discredit those, including Governor Ventura, who are skeptical of the official account of 9/11. Shapiro’s report that Silverstein had been seeking authorization to demolish Building 7 prior to its destruction runs counter to the author’s goal, because the report indicates that Silverstein wanted to have the building brought down in a controlled demolition—just as those who challenge the official account of 9/11 argue is what happened to Building 7. Therefore, Shapiro’s article, if accurate, strongly supports the view that Building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition. http://rememberbuilding7.org/silverstein-statement/ Also read this: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/04/22/jeffrey-scott-shapiro-jesse-venture-book-lies-truthers-ground-zero-sept-shame.html
6/27/2015 12:04:26 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
naprinciple West Plains, MO 46, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from tragicparrot: If it took you 7 years to question the official story then its no wonder you continue to base your "conclusion" on false claims and outright lies. Its now been 14 years whereas your "truthers" still haven't proven s**t. That's not where the onus lies. The government's story doesn't make sense, and you want "Truthers" to prove shit? Do you hold your government to the same standard of proof that you hold random people on the Internet?
6/27/2015 12:09:46 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	higgy Where were these "missiles" fired from? I have asked this of you many times, but not once can you provide a logical answer or even a place where they were fired from. I wonder how no witness even ever saw a missile flying over their heads on it's way to the Towers. ========================================================= You haven't asked me many times about the missiles. Why you have to keep lying?? Your ego that low you gotta make up shit. I saw a video years ago where a military fighter jet was seen leaving the scene of the crime probly going 1500 mph or faster. Im sure the feds have taken that video down, like other ones that no longer exist. You think for 1 second the media is gonna interview anyone that saw a fighter jet leave the scene of the crime?? Back to Peter Pan land or the sandbox with you till you grow the f**k up higgy and the other 2 kiddies asking questions that no one can answer for 100% positive....but when we answer them 90% postive they say we have no proof.
6/27/2015 12:25:23 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from 57channels: You haven't asked me many times about the missiles. Why you have to keep lying?? Your ego that low you gotta make up shit. I saw a video years ago where a military fighter jet was seen leaving the scene of the crime probly going 1500 mph or faster. Im sure the feds have taken that video down, like other ones that no longer exist. You think for 1 second the media is gonna interview anyone that saw a fighter jet leave the scene of the crime?? Back to Peter Pan land or the sandbox with you till you grow the f**k up higgy and the other 2 kiddies asking questions that no one can answer for 100% positive....but when we answer them 90% postive they say we have no proof. Okay, I am not wishing to go back through my posts for something so simple and to prove I have asked before. So I will ask you once again...where did the missiles come from? You say you saw a video of a fighter jet doing 1500mph, wow, that is some fast plane! Even the Space shuttle is faster at 17,500mph. Pssst..NO fighter jet can even achieve 500mph back in 2001! Where were these missiles (two of them) fired from?
6/27/2015 1:28:59 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
louie6332 Falkville, AL 73, joined Nov. 2011	Higgy, concerning the order to pull tower number 7, which you first denied, we have it’s owner ADMITTING on video that he gave the order to “pull” it. What more do you want? Be a man for once and admit that you were wrong. And here you are throwing around the Government's agreed upon phrase “conspiracy theorist” for all who oppose the Government’s agenda and disinformation campaign, which is what Government shills do. You are a shameless Government shill. Higgy, you label yourself as a Godless Liberal in your profile, and then you then have the unmitigated gall to call yourself a “normal guy”, what a joke. Louie [Edited 6/27/2015 1:30:26 PM ]
6/27/2015 1:41:50 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from naprinciple: That's not where the onus lies. The government's story doesn't make sense, and you want "Truthers" to prove shit? Do you hold your government to the same standard of proof that you hold random people on the Internet? Unlike some "truthers" who cited a conspiracy even BEFORE the investigations began, I certainly did hold the government to the same standard or burden of proof as anyone else. Something I find most truthers seem to have trouble with. As for whatever it is about the official report that doesn't make sense, please post it instead of beating around the bush with all the short quips. BTW, Louie doesn't know what "pull it" means.
6/27/2015 1:50:11 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from louie6332: Higgy, concerning the order to pull tower number 7, which you first denied, we have it’s owner ADMITTING on video that he gave the order to “pull” it. What more do you want? Be a man for once and admit that you were wrong. And above dear man, you have a full explanation of HOW his words were taken out of context...as usual by Conspiracy Nutcases.
6/27/2015 1:55:29 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from louie6332: Higgy, concerning the order to pull tower number 7, which you first denied, we have it’s owner ADMITTING on video that he gave the order to “pull” it. What more do you want? Be a man for once and admit that you were wrong. For a start dear man, he never gave an ORDER, he had no authority to give the Fire Chief an order. He did suggest it would be the best thing to do and the Fire Chief himself decided to do it. "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.""
6/27/2015 1:59:23 PM	Mount Arlington, NJ
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from louie6332: . Higgy, you label yourself as a Godless Liberal in your profile, and then you then have the unmitigated gall to call yourself a “normal guy”, what a joke. Louie I thought you said you never lied Louie? My profile gives NO indication as to my political leaning. I remember you once saying that you actually witnessed hospitals "killing" organ donors for their organs. Yes, you are normal!!

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