Painesville, OH

7/1/2015 8:40:30 PM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from russell57: "Iamthewitness" is a christian themed site trying to expose more coverups... its not a matter of fuselage or any other trivial piece of reasoning alot of this bS is- -its: A. Unbelievers B. Dummies that cant grasp the truth or want to C. Paid shills stepping on the truth in the thread D.LIF--low intellectual functioning E. Cognitive dissonance--too unbelievable to believe --goebbels philosophy of propaganda I choose all of the above.... and i am NOT a neo nazi anti semite I am another jew against zionism! I am anti zionist I am a Torah following 'beliver'....i fear YHWH and keep his commandments- Including lying.... I am 1/2 french 1/4 german 1/4 italian One of the lost tribe of israel like the rest of us that have been fooled and lied to- Farthest thing from a nazi NAZI = national zionist another lie perpetrated on humanity...by the synagogue of satan Not jew bashing here....zionist bashing! The cause of all anti semetism- True orthodox jews know what the truth is and they are ignored and not even recognized while they feed the lie to the rest... Your are completely false in your assumptions and your accusations and reasoning about fuselage while we are discussing the people that were killed on this 'event' the israelis were there to film- You are good tho and i see why they gave you this thread for damage control....you use the subtleties of a mans own words against him Nice....you have learned well your craft! and rather than create another thread to answer the one about the ..." Its not about 911anymore".... How far back did you have to go to dig up that...? I tried to find it and it shows how you guys are all connected.... I specially like the comment a few posts back where the guy quotes silverman..."pull it"....is he a truther or another shill giving you the order like silverman did...? Thqts what i love about this site ...one of the only ones you can discuss the lies the zionists are perpetrating on the world and you .wONT get banned....i think the owner is a sympathizer and wants to encourage the discussion since so much media tries to squash it and bury it Good job there Herr 'pain'-ville! Shall we keep discussing the tin foil hat....i mean the tinfoil fuselage tripe ? Or can we talk about "WHO" killed all those people...? a couple of arabs with drywall knives that flunked flight school eh? http://topinfopost.com/2013/05/06/911-fbis-blunder-the-hijackers-were-alive-and-well https://usahitman.com/hijack-alive/ http://911review.org/Wget/members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm Speaking of the military, which you just referred to moments ago, why not present all this criminal activity on a website like... http://forums.military.com/eve If your a true "patriot" concerned for those who are fighting along side us, why not show your true colors there? Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
7/1/2015 8:40:52 PM	Painesville, OH
russell57 Kirkjubæjarklaustur Iceland 95, joined Aug. 2009	Quote from tragicparrot: This, and you've yet to provide any credible evidence that Jews were responsible for 911. Now about that tin fuselage... ? 57's nothing but a mouth piece here. He's skewed so many 911 theories, it would be nearly impossible to consider anything he says as meaningful. Except for i gave you very very credible links and information to the truth....now i really see who you are There are thousands of sites that have 'some' of the enigma figured out....then you put them all together and you see the big picture You are truly exposing your true identity now for all to see.... What pisses me the most is your bankster friends rob us and then pay you trolls with our own $ to debunk the truth thats everywhere for all to see if they care to look You are obviously a paid shill from my forensics now....totally transparent in your attempts to diffuse the truth and hide reality I am not one of your dumb goy animals you are used to shutting down....im a different beast completley And you are totally right THIS IS THE "ONLY" SITE LEFT on the web where you can discuss this ""openely"" without getting banned for saying the 'J' werd or talk about the truth of the zionists.... THE ONLY ONE, i have scoured the net....most sites will bann you ---period If you even TRY and discuss the inconvenient truth your side has screwed up on.....and the facts are everywhere! Many of us have been awake form the inception of your lie....and we will jot stop to try amd wake up our fellows whom you look at as goy -animals under your control Your day is coming soon....eternity is a long long time Of eternal damnation -weeping and gnashing of your teeth while your writhe in pain and discomfort with unquenchable thirst for eternity I know....your 'king' --lucifer promised you a good ending....i got news He lied to you....your gonna burn for eternity and he will be laffing.... I pray for your soul herr pain--vill (ian) Your not dealing with goy with me....i am a soldier of the teuth brought here for the final battle.... I look for your kind as you look for me I rebuke you sharply!
7/1/2015 8:42:39 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from russell57: Dont even tell me this guy is military.....IF he is and i doubt it cuz of his age He is the reason we will soon see blood in the streets....hes just a shill phaqing with you....have a beer They have to bury the truth in these threads with as much bS as they can so anyone looking in here will have a lot to dif theu to see it....its what their paid for The guy is obvious to me....wake up there 'truther' notice your accusations against his patriotism are unanswered ....joos laff at us goyim and how stupid (they think) we are.... they own everything about us except our free will....free to uncover their lies They are fake athiest joos mostly anyway....hate G-d and love satan! Why else would someone make fun of the folks that had to jump to their death because of what the neocon zionists perpetrated on 911 I still get tears in my eyes when i see the pictures.... fk luciferians and their zionist agenda to bring communism to the USA But their master plan involves us creating violence to overthrow their control....they are waiting for it And trying to stir up the hatred with all we see in the zionist controlled news.... Just amazes me how many shills are in here now...paud by us to fk w us- 130 pgs of damage control adm arguing over superficial facts and humour levied on the dead.... Fking synagogue of satan They have NO place in the world to come....they will suffer the 'second' death- Woe to them! Crazy shit there Lunatic, and barely coherent-just in keeping with the truther script.
7/1/2015 8:52:23 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from russell57: "Iamthewitness" is a christian themed site trying to expose more coverups... its not a matter of fuselage or any other trivial piece of reasoning alot of this bS is- -its: A. Unbelievers B. Dummies that cant grasp the truth or want to C. Paid shills stepping on the truth in the thread D.LIF--low intellectual functioning E. Cognitive dissonance--too unbelievable to believe --goebbels philosophy of propaganda I choose all of the above.... Just excuses for evading the topic and quite moronic at that. Discussion of the evidence is relevant and paramount. I'm not interested in the vapid opinion of bigoted fools. and i am NOT a neo nazi anti semite I am another jew against zionism! I am anti zionist I am a Torah following 'beliver'....i fear YHWH and keep his commandments- Including lying.... I am 1/2 french 1/4 german 1/4 italian One of the lost tribe of israel like the rest of us that have been fooled and lied to- Farthest thing from a nazi NAZI = national zionist another lie perpetrated on humanity...by the synagogue of satan Not jew bashing here....zionist bashing! The cause of all anti semetism- True orthodox jews know what the truth is and they are ignored and not even recognized while they feed the lie to the rest... Your are completely false in your assumptions and your accusations and reasoning about fuselage while we are discussing the people that were killed on this 'event' the israelis were there to film- You are good tho and i see why they gave you this thread for damage control....you use the subtleties of a mans own words against him Nice....you have learned well your craft! and rather than create another thread to answer the one about the ..." Its not about 911anymore".... How far back did you have to go to dig up that...? I tried to find it and it shows how you guys are all connected.... I specially like the comment a few posts back where the guy quotes silverman..."pull it"....is he a truther or another shill giving you the order like silverman did...? Thqts what i love about this site ...one of the only ones you can discuss the lies the zionists are perpetrating on the world and you .wONT get banned....i think the owner is a sympathizer and wants to encourage the discussion since so much media tries to squash it and bury it Good job there Herr 'pain'-ville! Shall we keep discussing the tin foil hat....i mean the tinfoil fuselage tripe ? Or can we talk about "WHO" killed all those people...? a couple of arabs with drywall knives that flunked flight school eh? Wow, what a screwed up and illogical rant full of misrepresentation of evidence and outright lies. You ARE a Nazi apologist and all your twisting of words doesn't change that. You're trying to switch the topic of discussion into an anti-Semitic diatribe. Please comment on the evidence presented as it discounts the claims made by the truthers in this thread. So far I and others have produced evidence in support of the existence of the aircraft; debunked the false engine claim; debunked the missing trillions claim; debunked the thermite claim; debunked the light pole claim. Have you a response of merit to the evidence presented? None of these dupes have any idea on what to do at the moment and they are either avoiding the thread, or like the redneck douche, endlessly stalling. [Edited 7/1/2015 8:55:51 PM ]
7/1/2015 8:55:08 PM	Painesville, OH
juma2112 Wheat Ridge, CO 50, joined Jan. 2011	Is it just me, or does russ sound an awful lot like our favorite (mayb least favorite) loon funw/music?
7/1/2015 8:56:57 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from juma2112: Is it just me, or does russ sound an awful lot like our favorite (mayb least favorite) loon funw/music? Yes, I thought it was Bobby Long, but the grammar is too bad. He could be doing it on purpose of course, and they both share similar key words in their diatribes. However, so do conspiretard sites, so vocabulary may not be an indicator. [Edited 7/1/2015 8:59:04 PM ]
7/1/2015 9:02:39 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from russell57: snip.....And you are totally right THIS IS THE "ONLY" SITE LEFT on the web where you can discuss this ""openely"" without getting banned for saying the 'J' werd or talk about the truth of the zionists.... THE ONLY ONE, i have scoured the net....most sites will bann you ---period Well, according to most truthers like funwith and 57channels, the truther client base has been consistently growing for the last 14 years. Given that, I see no reason why you should be banned from everywhere else but here. Any reason why?
7/1/2015 9:08:24 PM	Painesville, OH
russell57 Kirkjubæjarklaustur Iceland 95, joined Aug. 2009	Quote from tragicparrot: Speaking of the military, which you just referred to moments ago, why not present all this criminal activity on a website like... http://forums.military.com/eve If your a true "patriot" concerned for those who are fighting along side us, why not show your true colors there? Your 'coy' hubris is blatantly obvious and your evilglares thru the screen at me....again I rebuke you! Much of our military is awake to your zionist plans for communism here.... the carnage and bloodshed you will soon release will be unlike any seen in the history of the world....we all know that The flames of hell and torment await thee in thy last breath tho oh defender of the deception! I hope you can stomach it and still keep up your hubris and coy attitude- I wield The Sword of Truth and The Shield of Faith tho oh student of deception.... Which no weapon formed on earth can match! I am a master werdsmith trained in the ways of the deception you bring forth Your 'parrot' moniker is fitting for your attempts Would herr deutschlander like a cracker with his whine? Lucifer dont play.-tho herr lugner- even tho you have everything you may want in this material world you have no place in the world to come! I rebuke you thrice! Just like was done of old.... the curtain of lies of 911 is lifting ....for the world to see your zionist media control cannot keep the truth hidden forever-
7/1/2015 9:14:47 PM	Painesville, OH
russell57 Kirkjubæjarklaustur Iceland 95, joined Aug. 2009	Quote from juma2112: Is it just me, or does russ sound an awful lot like our favorite (mayb least favorite) loon funw/music? Didnt you mean "goy"..... Funwithmusic is a very astute awake conscious female also.... as much as youd like to discredit her revelations of truth for all here to see... why am i NOT surprised you are here....zztop man Juma is arabic for prayer eh?
7/1/2015 9:17:28 PM	Painesville, OH
russell57 Kirkjubæjarklaustur Iceland 95, joined Aug. 2009	Quote from tragicparrot: Well, according to most truthers like funwith and 57channels, the truther client base has been consistently growing for the last 14 years. Given that, I see no reason why you should be banned from everywhere else but here. Any reason why? You guys are the 'paid' hasbarets.... shouldnt you know what sites "are left" to discuss the truth...? I figured from jump street thats WHY you were in here... -once i figured out which one of you were the 'ones' Ive seen your hasbarets in many many other sites....
7/1/2015 9:25:44 PM	Painesville, OH
juma2112 Wheat Ridge, CO 50, joined Jan. 2011	I have no doubt russ is funw/music. The names & accusations he/she directs at me, and the Juma question. A question fun specifically posed to me. What a psycho. BTW fuss, Juma or a variation thereof does have Arabic origins (Surah 62 I believe) in the Qur'an. I believe friday eve prayers are spelled Jumu'ah. It's also the name of the percussionist in Jimi Hendrix's "band of gypsies". [Edited 7/1/2015 9:26:42 PM ]
7/1/2015 9:27:11 PM	Painesville, OH
russell57 Kirkjubæjarklaustur Iceland 95, joined Aug. 2009	Does my avatar scare you? It should- Given what ive learned of you two.... Im a real one- wheres your friendz....? I expect more any minute- the truth will never be silenced....even by paid shills I think i may have 'made' you both now... Isnt there a plan B for hasbarets that have been made....? I already know it....more hasbarets- the Borg....resistance is futile unless.... ISRAEL DID 911-- did you guys know that Wanna start over (?) and we can start posting the truth again from the beginning..... Did you guys know about the dancing israelis that were there to 'film the event'....? The ones that were on israeli tv talking about it? The ones that had the van with the picture of a plane crashing into the twin towers....? have you seen the video of the cop that arrested them talking about it and how they were let go and rushed out of the country.....all to his bewilderment-
7/1/2015 9:30:51 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from juma2112: It's also the name of the percussionist in Jimi Hendrix's "band of gypsies". Awesome band!
7/1/2015 9:35:54 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from tragicparrot: Well, according to most truthers like funwith and 57channels, the truther client base has been consistently growing for the last 14 years. Given that, I see no reason why you should be banned from everywhere else but here. Any reason why? She's lying. I'm a member on about 8 sites, and there is a vociferous anti-Semitic presence on nearly all of them. People are banned for poor behaviour, not for their disgusting beliefs.
7/1/2015 9:38:33 PM	Painesville, OH
russell57 Kirkjubæjarklaustur Iceland 95, joined Aug. 2009	Quote from juma2112: I have no doubt russ is funw/music. The names & accusations he/she directs at me, and the Juma question. A question fun specifically posed to me. What a psycho. BTW fuss, Juma or a variation thereof does have Arabic origins (Surah 62 I believe) in the Qur'an. I believe friday eve prayers are spelled Jumu'ah. It's also the name of the percussionist in Jimi Hendrix's "band of gypsies". Mitch mitchell was better.... you guys are fun! Guess i wore herr lugner out....your turn to take over eh? Lets see how you do with the truth....lies dont really hold up too good with the truth tho Its like a splinter of light in a dark room....you can still see it no matter what So how bout them dancing israelis? or you just dont wanna believe none of it? Cognitive dissonance....? Hasbaret? Or jus LIF....? How do you oppose such glaring truths when they are in your face.....? or you just trolling me with ur 2c worth....isnt there a pot club you should be at with that beard too bad you cant see my white beard....its longer....gandalf stylee! and when i put the Fear of G-d on my head i definatley come off as a rabbi looking nobody- Funny you knowQuran so well to even quote a verse Wallah! or did fun with music get you to do some homework on your moniker....thats my thought-
7/1/2015 9:41:50 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from russell57: Much of our military is awake to your zionist plans for communism here. Again, you quote our military. Should our military already be aware of Zionist plans for supporting communism here, its no wonder your being banned from everywhere on the planet. Your nothing but a damned traitor!
7/1/2015 9:51:09 PM	Painesville, OH
juma2112 Wheat Ridge, CO 50, joined Jan. 2011	Fuss, ur pitiful. Contradiction all u got? "Mitch Mitchell was better" apples and oranges. Totally different styles. Ur beard is longer than mine I doubt it, but if so, good for u. While I have read, and studied the Qur'an a bit (spiritual quest a few yrs back) my moniker comes from Juma Sultan. Oh, I dont need to go to a club for pot Stick to ur funw persona. [Edited 7/1/2015 9:51:36 PM ]
7/1/2015 9:57:17 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from juma2112: Fuss, ur pitiful. Contradiction all u got? "Mitch Mitchell was better" apples and oranges. Totally different styles. Mitch overplayed in my opinion. He couldn't leave the crash cymbals alone for 10 seconds.
7/1/2015 9:59:35 PM	Painesville, OH
juma2112 Wheat Ridge, CO 50, joined Jan. 2011	IMO Mitch, and ringo are the two luckiest drummers in the world. Charlie Watts might make it a 3sum.
7/1/2015 10:27:03 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Let us not leave out Keith Moon. Crazy bastard.
7/1/2015 10:43:04 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv > "FOR THE RECORD: I at no time ever stated definitely that a missile had hit either WTC1 or WTC2. I however did state that a missile is THE MOST LIKELY cause of the destruction in the pentagon AND shanksville because both of them sites are DEFINITELY not plane crash sites and anyone that would disagree is a brainless twit." So, if what your stating here is that no missiles might have hit WTC1 or WTC2, then how does this coincide with your agreeing with funwithmusic and 57channels claims that holograms and photoshopped pictures were used to cover up the missiles that struck WTC1 and WTC2?
7/1/2015 11:02:23 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Rob Balsamo from Pilots 4 Truth claimed that Hani Hanjour could not have possibly manoeuvred AA77 in the fashion stated in the accepted version because his experience as a pilot was so poor. In the following piece, a novice executes the same manoeuver in a simulator: https://youtu.be/jZbUCoVEVsU So much for Rob's weak argument from incredulity. [Edited 7/1/2015 11:02:52 PM ]
7/1/2015 11:18:18 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from juma2112:Is it just me, or does russ sound an awful lot like our favorite (mayb least favorite) loon funw/music? I just saw one of her responses to you on another thread. Yup, I think you're right. The excessive use of periods was a dead giveaway.
7/2/2015 12:30:16 AM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from juma2112:IMO Mitch, and ringo are the two luckiest drummers in the world. Charlie Watts might make it a 3sum. Listen to Bev Bevan from ELO. Man what a boring drummer. If the other drummers mentioned overplay, this guy is the king of underplaying. 48 bars without a fill...zzzzzzzzzz [Edited 7/2/2015 12:33:15 AM ]
7/2/2015 12:40:08 AM	Painesville, OH
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from srv63: Do i need to spell it out for you higgy as i need to for the parrot? A plane hit the south tower BUT NOT A COMMERCIAL PASSENGER PLANE. You would have the answer to that one higgy IF you weren't so lazy to do your own research but instead rely on US to do it. Sorry, find the answer yourself or PROVE that she was part of the janitorial crew Oh, so it WAS a pane of some sorts then? Which plane or what plane was it? So the plane thousands of witnesses saw was an actual plane and not some missile dressed as a plane via a hologram? Which is what your inept buddy - 57 channels - claims and is quite adamant that it was a MISSILE and not a plane. With reference to the cleaner, it has already been proven to you by TWO sources that she WAS a cleaner at the Pentagon. You wildly claimed you had evidence that she wasn't, but for some reason, you refuse to show it. However, please worry no more, you can wipe your furrowed brow, I won't ask again, there is no need, you can't and/or haven't got any evidence to the contrary, so as far as we are all concerned, she was a cleaner. What we need to wait for now, maybe wait for another 20 pages, is this type of plane that hit the Towers...but I don't think I will be hanging around for too long, you are the most fascinating circle jerker out!
7/2/2015 9:27:12 AM	Painesville, OH
funwithmusic Chapel Hill, NC 60, joined Feb. 2007	Quote from tragicparrot: Quote from srv > "FOR THE RECORD: I at no time ever stated definitely that a missile had hit either WTC1 or WTC2. I however did state that a missile is THE MOST LIKELY cause of the destruction in the pentagon AND shanksville because both of them sites are DEFINITELY not plane crash sites and anyone that would disagree is a brainless twit." So, if what your stating here is that no missiles might have hit WTC1 or WTC2, then how does this coincide with your agreeing with funwithmusic and 57channels claims that holograms and photoshopped pictures were used to cover up the missiles that struck WTC1 and WTC2? I got my information from high ranking military men. I posted their quotes earlier in this thread.. Did you forget already old man..and little 5yr old? You sayanim are pathetic..Liars to the core...shame on you... As far as the NOSE IN NOSE OUT...those are obviously Photoshopped as we know the plane didnt back up back into the building.as per the video....Well..at least those of us with stable minds can understand this.... Why do I say this? BECAUSE THOSE PHOTOS OF PLANES HITTING THE TOWERS ONLY COME FROM JEWISH CONTROLLED MEDIA OUTLETS So..what say you liars now? ANYONE WONDERING WHAT WERE TALING ABOUT. GO TO "YOUTUBE NOSE IN NOSE OUT" video..and see for yourself.. Pay no attention to the ISRAHELLIS paid to be on the internet forums spreading lies..DOING DAMAGE CONTROL..because when Americans see the truth...the Isra-hellis will be packing their backs..and moving to their own country..ISRA-HELL..NATION OF DEVILS
7/2/2015 2:13:26 PM	Painesville, OH
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	Fun As far as the NOSE IN NOSE OUT...those are obviously Photoshopped as we know the plane didnt back up back into the building.as per the video... ======================================================== Didn't you know the 3 little kiddies [ paid shills ] got an answer for that nose out shot?? Its smoke Smoke that formed the perfect image of the nose of an airplane. They never have answered why no part of the alleged plane broke off when it hit the tower...or no part of the tower also broke off. Nothing broke off or apart. The tower just plane swallowed the alleged plane. The one reporter said it looked like the alleged plane landed inside the tower. Wonder if that reporter will commit suicide huh?? So what do the perps do?? After seeing the nose of the fake plane come out the other side......they said.... "OMG we better pick up some engine out of a dinosaur graveyard and plant it on Murray street just in case one of the intellectuals points out all the " impossibilities " of how a real airplane would react when it hits a steel reinforced concrete building. ZIEG HEIL!!!!!!!!!!!! Fake Planes, fake hijackers, fake passenger lists, fake passengers [ how many who knows?? ] fake videos, fake eyewitnesses. A really big show though. Gotta throw in those taped " horrified voices though "
7/2/2015 2:59:42 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Hey 57channels. Just imagine how this planning session between Bush, Rummy and Cheney must have gone: BUSH: So, what's the plan again? CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down. RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion. CHENEY: No, Dck, we won't. RUMSFELD: We won't? CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers Al Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq. RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack? CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Dck. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around. BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists? RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed and needlessly complicate everything! CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of fking nowhere in rural Pennsylvania. RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of fking nowhere. CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile. Ebowed: BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile? CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by. BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers? CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane. BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right? CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here? RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York. BUSH: Oh, OK. RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them. BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo? CHENEY: Like pulling teeth! RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington, D.C., fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose! BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? Shit, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices? RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"! ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!
7/2/2015 3:29:52 PM	Painesville, OH
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	tragic Sorry to burst your bubble...but Bush Jr. wasnt in on it [ I dont think ] I believe that Cheney and the think tank dudes [ Wolfowitz, Perle, papa Bush ] all made sure George W was out of town doing a photo op with a bunch of kiddies [ were you one of them? ] I am quite sure that papa Bush had a pep talk with all the other perps and powers that be that his son George W was off limits to an assassination or Cheney would be held responsible for the attempt and papa would have D*cky boy taken out. You know.......like when papa Bush had an assassin shoot Reagen with a sharp projectile [ no bullet ] and papa's men wanted to take Ronnie up to Bethesda and finish the job on Ronny [ kill him ] but Reagen had his loyal guys at the hospital who made a deal that Ronnie would stay POTUS but him and Nancy spent all day watching old westerns at Camp David while papa Bush ran the show. Your kind of close somewhat [ minus your bogus exaggerations that is ]
7/2/2015 3:35:26 PM	Painesville, OH
louie6332 Falkville, AL 73, joined Nov. 2011	57channels, you say to Russ’s statement: ““ISRAEL DID 911”: “Not without a lot of help from certain elements of the US Govt.” That is correct, 57channels, and help from the very highest levels of the US government. Our Federal Government, through ABLE DANGER, discovered the Muslim plot (which was in no way an Israeli plot). Able Danger was a classified military planning effort led by the U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). It was created as a result of a directive from the Joint Chiefs of Staff in early October 1999 by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Hugh Shelton, to develop an information operations campaign plan against transnational terrorism. Those within Able Danger wanted to arrest the plotters, but higher authority in the Federal Government stopped them and secretly took the plot over to make it more effective, for they wanted to get the American people behind their planned war in the Middle East. Israel learned of all this from her spy agency in the US, but did not devise the plot. Taking over the Muslim plot, which was just a plan to ram planes into the towers, as they had done once before, to make it more effective was a US government psy op operation. 9-11 was a US Government operation, and the US Government name is not Israel. Put the blame where it belongs. Our Government lied to us. “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false” (William Casey, CIA director 1981-1987, from first staff meeting in 1981)”. Our own Federal Government is at war with the American people, and they plan for this war to climax with it operation JADE HELM 15, which is now only a couple of weeks away. Louie [Edited 7/2/2015 3:36:52 PM ]
7/2/2015 4:11:04 PM	Painesville, OH
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	The US administration has now seized upon the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington to press ahead with its long-held designs on Central Asia. Without providing any evidence, Bush immediately held bin Laden responsible for the devastation in the US and issued a series of ultimatums to the Taliban regime: hand over bin Laden, shut down Al Qaeda installations and give the US access to all “terrorist training camps”. When the Taliban rejected his open-ended demands, Bush gave his generals the signal to unleash thousands of bombs and cruise missiles on Afghanistan, with the openly avowed aim of bringing down the regime. If one were to believe the Bush administration and the international media, the sole purpose of Washington’s extensive and costly war against one of the world’s most backward countries is to catch bin Laden and to break up his Al Qaeda network. But as this historical review demonstrates, Washington’s objectives in Afghanistan are not determined by fears about terrorism or concerns over human rights. The US has for the first time established a military presence in the Central Asian republics with troops in Uzbekistan and its military campaign ensures that it will dictate the terms for any post-Taliban regime in Afghanistan. Even if bin Laden were killed tomorrow and his organisation destroyed, Washington has no intention of retreating from these first steps towards the domination of this key strategic region and its vast energy reserves. ================================================= https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2001/10/tal1-o24.html
7/2/2015 4:15:10 PM	Painesville, OH
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	Without providing any evidence, Bush immediately held bin Laden responsible for the devastation in the US and issued a series of ultimatums to the Taliban regime: hand over bin Laden, shut down Al Qaeda installations and give the US access to all “terrorist training camps”. =============================================== I know I was outraged when the powers that be told Bush W to name Bin Laden as the culprit of 9-11. Just another patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald. But our elected representatives rolled over again like they always do when told what to do....and stuffed another huge like up their cowardly asses
7/2/2015 4:21:46 PM	Painesville, OH
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	Louie . Israel learned of all this from her spy agency in the US, but did not devise the plot. Taking over the Muslim plot, which was just a plan to ram planes into the towers, as they had done once before, to make it more effective was a US government psy op operation. ==================================================== So what your saying is that the people who planted explosives in each tower were the FBI and then when the missil hit -- it blew out a cookie cutter image of a plane?? I say it was the phony art students [ Mossad } that planted those explosives. They stayed there that summer with passes to live there. Do you really think real planes were used?? I surely do not.
7/2/2015 5:01:36 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	And we're back to unsubstantiated fantasies from silly old men.
7/2/2015 7:38:37 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from 57channels: I know I was outraged when the powers that be told Bush W to name Bin Laden as the culprit of 9-11. Just another patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald. But our elected representatives rolled over again like they always do when told what to do....and stuffed another huge like up their cowardly asses But then in one of 57channels earlier comments he posted this... Quote from 57channels > "Sorry to burst your bubble...but Bush Jr. wasnt in on it [ I dont think ] I believe that Cheney and the think tank dudes [ Wolfowitz, Perle, papa Bush ] all made sure George W was out of town doing a photo op with a bunch of kiddies [ were you one of them? ]" So now, if what you claim is that the "powers that be" told Bush to name Bin Laden as the culprit of 911, then how was he not in on it? How does this explain both comments you just made in your last four posts? 57channels?
7/2/2015 7:45:24 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from class5: And we're back to unsubstantiated fantasies from silly old men. Unfortunately, I doubt their going to pass on the opportunity to entertain themselves with more BS.
7/2/2015 7:57:25 PM	Painesville, OH
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	tragic So now, if what you claim is that the "powers that be" told Bush to name Bin Laden as the culprit of 911, then how was he not in on it? How does this explain both comments you just made in your last four posts? ==================================================== Now take a deep breath...relax and take a deep breath. Okay........the perps wanted Bush W out of town so he wouldn't make any waves about why no fighters were up in the sky, ect.ect. He was CIC of the armed forces. Cheney had drills going on and ordered the military to stand down. The perps HAD to blame someone other than themselves so they told dipstick [ in fact wrote his speech blaming Bin Laden ] so that.s what we got to hear. BTW = by the way......Bin Laden had as much to do with 9-11 as my big toe...nothing You comprehend that or you wanna try and twist my words like u always do.
7/2/2015 8:12:16 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from 57channels: tragic So now, if what you claim is that the "powers that be" told Bush to name Bin Laden as the culprit of 911, then how was he not in on it? How does this explain both comments you just made in your last four posts? ==================================================== Now take a deep breath...relax and take a deep breath. Okay........the perps wanted Bush W out of town so he wouldn't make any waves about why no fighters were up in the sky, ect.ect. He was CIC of the armed forces. Cheney had drills going on and ordered the military to stand down. The perps HAD to blame someone other than themselves so they told dipstick [ in fact wrote his speech blaming Bin Laden ] so that.s what we got to hear. BTW = by the way......Bin Laden had as much to do with 9-11 as my big toe...nothing You comprehend that or you wanna try and twist my words like u always do. Why not mention they only "wrote" his speech instead of claiming "The powers the be" told him to name Bin Laden as the culprit? Are you making this up as you go along? I think so! lol. .. Oh, and how do you explain the comments Bin Laden made in regards to 911 on video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqMh_nUK4GM Did those damn perps get to him too?
7/2/2015 8:25:13 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from 57channels: tragic So now, if what you claim is that the "powers that be" told Bush to name Bin Laden as the culprit of 911, then how was he not in on it? How does this explain both comments you just made in your last four posts? ==================================================== Now take a deep breath...relax and take a deep breath. Okay........the perps wanted Bush W out of town so he wouldn't make any waves about why no fighters were up in the sky, ect.ect. He was CIC of the armed forces. Cheney had drills going on and ordered the military to stand down. The perps HAD to blame someone other than themselves so they told dipstick [ in fact wrote his speech blaming Bin Laden ] so that.s what we got to hear. BTW = by the way......Bin Laden had as much to do with 9-11 as my big toe...nothing You comprehend that or you wanna try and twist my words like u always do. All unsubstantiated speculation, and as such, it is worthless. Cheney did NOT have drills (pl) going on. There was a drill but that was just normal procedure, and Cheney did not order the military to stand down-all truther lies. Bush would not have made waves about no fighters being in the sky because that was not usual procedure. Unlike truther propaganda, the sky above the Pentagon is not the 'most heavily guarded airspace in the world', that is rubbish. There are no missile batteries, AA batteries, or constant surveillance. It was obvious it was Bin Laden and that is the first thing I thought when I saw the news. He later admitted culpability. 1993- AQ Bombing of WTC 1998- US Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanganyika by AQ 2000- USS Cole attack in Yemen. 2001- 2nd WTC Attack Note the escalation. You are just making up stories that you can't substantiate, and the reality is not hard to figure out if you're not blinded by partiality. Furthermore, you really like to colour your bias don't you? [Edited 7/2/2015 8:26:28 PM ]
7/2/2015 8:47:40 PM	Painesville, OH
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 44, joined Jul. 2014	The plane that never made its destinations on 9/11 because of those hero's aboard it. I wonder what cover up its target was.
7/2/2015 8:55:23 PM	Painesville, OH
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	iam The plane that never made its destinations on 9/11 because of those hero's aboard it. ================================================= You believe in the tooth fairy too?? Its the same as the " lets roll " fareytale
7/2/2015 8:57:30 PM	Painesville, OH
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 44, joined Jul. 2014	If everything was to destroy a cover-up then that plane had a specific target in a general area some place. [Edited 7/2/2015 8:58:03 PM ]
7/2/2015 8:59:13 PM	Painesville, OH
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	cl--ass It was obvious it was Bin Laden and that is the first thing I thought when I saw the news. ================================================ Of course you did because you are incapable of maintaining an independent thought other than what the Jewish media tells you. The Bin Laden tapes were doctored and planted by the CIA.....but da news dont tell ya that do they now
7/2/2015 8:59:50 PM	Painesville, OH
naprinciple West Plains, MO 46, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from iam_resurrected: The plane that never made its destinations on 9/11 because of those hero's aboard it. I wonder what cover up its target was. **************************************** How do you think the wreckage got spread over several miles?
7/2/2015 9:02:45 PM	Painesville, OH
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 44, joined Jul. 2014	This thread is about targets and destroying evidence. Only a fool would not believe this to be an inside job. It's clear that plane had no destination maybe. Could have been a diversion. But then again, it could have had a specific target in mind. The phone call 2 minutes before the crash to his wife is evident no one shot them down. [Edited 7/2/2015 9:03:51 PM ]
7/2/2015 9:44:04 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from 57channels: cl--ass It was obvious it was Bin Laden and that is the first thing I thought when I saw the news. ================================================ Of course you did because you are incapable of maintaining an independent thought other than what the Jewish media tells you. The Bin Laden tapes were doctored and planted by the CIA.....but da news dont tell ya that do they now You are a very childish man, not to mention very unintelligent. You never have any evidence for your stupid stories, and yet you attack those who don't believe them. Why is that? Here's a clue stupid man, they're crazy stories and that is why no-one believes you, well no-one who has a brain.
7/2/2015 9:49:00 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from iam_resurrected: Only a fool would not believe this to be an inside job. The evidence is against 9/11 truth. It's that simple. 9/11 truth cannot produce the evidence required to build a prima facie case for a new investigation. That in itself speaks volumes about the so-called evidence for an inside job. It's irrational to make the claim (inside job meme) when the evidence is against it. The controlled demolition meme is my favourite. 9/11 truth actually believe that the buildings were demolished by (insert comic book bad guy), without any supporting evidence. All the evidence they claim they have was debunked by rational individuals years ago. All their stories smack of badly written Bond movie hysteria.
7/2/2015 9:51:49 PM	Painesville, OH
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 44, joined Jul. 2014	Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill Kennedy either but he got dubbed for it. It is always a cover up.
7/2/2015 9:58:05 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from iam_resurrected: Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill Kennedy either but he got dubbed for it. It is always a cover up. That is poor logic. You don't believe LHO killed Kennedy therefore 'da gubmint' covered up 9/11? That is some thinkin' there, Homer. You'd get on well with 57 Brayne Cells. [Edited 7/2/2015 9:58:51 PM ]
7/2/2015 10:02:31 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from 57channels: cl--ass It was obvious it was Bin Laden and that is the first thing I thought when I saw the news. ================================================ Of course you did because you are incapable of maintaining an independent thought other than what the Jewish media tells you. The Bin Laden tapes were doctored and planted by the CIA.....but da news dont tell ya that do they now You've yet to present any satisfactory reason of why you switched stories here. So did the "powers that be" tell Bush to blame Bin Laden? Or did they only write his speech for him? Kind of a big difference here 57. Wouldn't you say? And what about all the comprehensive investigations presented to you compliments of the Italian website > http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/04/english-section.html Readers here would like to know.
7/2/2015 10:03:32 PM	Painesville, OH
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 44, joined Jul. 2014	Bush had no idea many times what Cheney was doing behind his back. Cheney ran that office and Haliburton (Cheney's insurance company) supplied body bags and transportation for the dead. He got paid for every dead soldier in 2 ways. Cheney's deal was about as good as Johnson's was for Vietnam.
7/2/2015 10:03:56 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from tragicparrot: You've yet to present any satisfactory reason of why you switched stories here. So did the "powers that be" tell Bush to blame Bin Laden? Or did they only write his speech for him? Kind of a big difference here 57. Wouldn't you say? And what about all the comprehensive investigations presented to you compliments of the Italian website > http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/04/english-section.html Readers here would like to know. Do you get the feeling 57 is just improvising with his stories? I think he is just making it up as he goes along.
7/2/2015 10:06:07 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from iam_resurrected: Bush had no idea many times what Cheney was doing behind his back. So for you, it then follows that Cheney is responsible for 9/11? That is what is known as a non-sequitur. Cheney ran that office and Haliburton (Cheney's insurance company) supplied body bags and transportation for the dead. He got paid for every dead soldier in 2 ways. Another non-sequitur. Cheney's deal was about as good as Johnson's was for Vietnam. And an assumption to finish off.
7/2/2015 10:09:25 PM	Painesville, OH
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 44, joined Jul. 2014	Johnson was not the vital influence for Vietnam but yet he went and made a loot of money from it. Cheney seems to have done the same thing. The man is cold. Look at his baby and creation in the chambers of torture known as Guantanamo Bay. The man had his fingers in everything.
7/2/2015 10:12:20 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from class5: Do you get the feeling 57 is just improvising with his stories? I think he is just making it up as he goes along. He's been doing this all along. First he'll post something idiotic, call anyone who disagrees a shill etc etc, then wait for funwith to spew her nonsense so he can agree with her. And of course, 57channels is now her boyfriend. Or something like that.
7/2/2015 10:16:57 PM	Painesville, OH
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from iam_resurrected: Johnson was not the vital influence for Vietnam but yet he went and made a loot of money from it. Cheney seems to have done the same thing. The man is cold. Look at his baby and creation in the chambers of torture known as Guantanamo Bay. The man had his fingers in everything. You really should start another thread. Might I suggest one that deals specifically with Cheney? He is a bit unpopular you know.
7/2/2015 10:18:21 PM	Painesville, OH
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 44, joined Jul. 2014
7/2/2015 10:21:04 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from iam_resurrected: Johnson was not the vital influence for Vietnam but yet he went and made a loot of money from it. Cheney seems to have done the same thing. The man is cold. Look at his baby and creation in the chambers of torture known as Guantanamo Bay. The man had his fingers in everything. Look, I have no love for the man or the Bush administration, but there is just not the evidence to support the claims of 9/11 truth. You keep bringing up unrelated claims using the 'follow the money' method, but that in itself is just circumstantial association and not what can be considered proof. One needs to examine the claims by 9/11 truth as impartially as possible. Partisan views of the government only cloud the issues. Also, one needs to address how people view the government. 9/11 truth tend to view the government as a 'hive animal' where everyone follows orders blindly, and that individual government workers are too stupid to recognise their contribution to a larger conspiracy. Note the 'sheeple' meme. That is a false generalisation and an unrealistic view. I view the government as a collection of individuals, who are as intelligent as the rest of the population. Each politician has his or her own constituents to think of, and the workers are aware of how they fit in the chain. They are capable of independent thought and the ability to associate their actions with the news. But the key word is 'individual'. Therefore, I don't believe that the government committed these acts on two levels. a) They are often well educated. b) They are as patriotic as the next man, therefore I'm sure there would have been whistle-blowers by now, even if it was only the guys who were supposed to have painted on the so-called thermite. 57's meme of truthers being the only patriots is absurd as most of his stories. This is all before we start on the physical evidence.
7/2/2015 10:22:53 PM	Painesville, OH
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from tragicparrot: You really should start another thread. Might I suggest one that deals specifically with Cheney? He is a bit unpopular you know. That would be good fun, as I did a lot of work on the Cheney/Mineta conundrum some time ago.
7/3/2015 11:44:30 AM	Painesville, OH
louie6332 Falkville, AL 73, joined Nov. 2011	57channels, reference you post to me on pg 143, no, I am not saying real planes were used to hit the towers. The planes, whether real or photo-shopped, were nothing more than a distraction. They did not bring down the towers; it was preplanted demolition explosives of military grade that brought down the towers. You and I are pretty much on the same page. And I admire your posts, you have a lot of good posts, and make a lot of good posts. Keep up the good work. We need more like you. As Jam says, it was obviously an inside job. The fact that that there was a military drill going on at the time, that the military jets were ordered to stand down, and so on, is just the tip of an iceberg of the evidence on that. The evidence is overwhelming that our own Government was behind it. But that shouldn't come as a surprise, for it has been documented that most of the wars that the United States has been involved in were started with the "justification" of US government false flag operations. Other nations did know of 9-11 before it occurred. For example, it was not just Israel, Saudi Arabia knew of it ahead of time (and the role they played is still being covered up by the American Government even as I write), and so did Russia know of it. And some big players in the stock market knew of it ahead of time (our Government investigated, but those whose profited from it were never identified or brought to justice--just as I expected). Class, you say: “I view the government as a collection of individuals, who are as intelligent as the rest of the population. Each politician has his or her own constituents to think of, and the workers are aware of how they fit in the chain. They are capable of independent thought and the ability to associate their actions with the news. But the key word is 'individual'. Therefore, I don't believe that the government committed these acts on two levels: a) They are often well educated. b) They are as patriotic as the next man, therefore I'm sure there would have been whistle-blowers by now, even if it was only the guys who were supposed to have painted on the so-called thermite. 57's meme of truthers being the only patriots is absurd as most of his stories. This is all before we start on the physical evidence.” That’s where you are wrong Class, dead wrong. It is not a government of individuals, as you say. It is a government that is ruled by the hidden hand of Freemasonry. It is not spontaneous and uncoordinated, it is a well coordinated plot. The Illuminati is a secret society within the secret society of Freemasons that controls it from within. The Illuminati are a group of powerful billionaire apostate Satan-worshiping Jews in the international Banking business who has recently bragged that they now control all western governments. People like Obama and the leaders of house and senate are puppets on their string who do as the Illuminati tells them to do. It is not a government of individuals, it’s a government with Freemasons in positions of power and influence who are sworn to obey their Masonic masters on pain of death and to hold their Masonic oath above all other oaths, and to favor other Freemasons when filling position of power and influence. They serve, not the people, as the people are lead to believe, but their Masonic masters. Now do you understand? Their patriotism is to their Masonic masters, not to the people they pretend to represent. As far as their being well educated, during their university days, they are chosen and initiated into the Skull and Bones Society by Illuminati surrogates, and they are compromised by having to do something that is so scandalous that it can be used by the Illuminati to hold over their heads, to blackmail them with. And they all worship Satan at the Bahamanian Grove in California. They all belong to Satan and serve him. There is not a disconnected group of conspiracies, there is one huge, on-going, well coordinated conspiracy, that spans over nations and generations, and that is coordinated by Satan himself. Those who use the term "conspiracy theorist" do not understand that they are unwittingly being used by the Powers-that-be. The Illuminati, in their Bilderberg meeting that recently closed in Austria, has decided their agenda for nations for 2015. They have decided to crash the monetary and economic sytem this year, and to trigger the Third World War (with Russia) this year, 2015. And God himself is now warning his prophets that the monetary system and economies of the world WILL crash in Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec of this year, 2015. And to lay away food, enough for one to three years, and to do it NOW!!! I am telling you this, so that when it occurs, you will know that what I am telling you about the Illuminati controlling the agenda is true. When you see it happening, you will know. Louie [Edited 7/3/2015 11:45:10 AM ]

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