Kennesaw, GA

7/25/2015 2:37:25 PM
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	The data center was much closer to the towers than the hospital...you still had a somewhat decent view even from the hospital but it is much further south... Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
7/25/2015 2:53:52 PM	Kennesaw, GA
progrocknic Mount Arlington, NJ 31, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from nuffan: You say that like it is some absolute...it is not... I never once tried to maintain there were no planes...of course there were...and we lost several commercial flights...but they could have been escorted over the Atlantic and shot down for all we know...because yes a group that would destroy the towers in this manner would throw several commercial airliners and all its occupants into the sea... How does that make any sense? They didn't want them to die hitting the buildings, so they took them out to sea to kill them, then used a second set of planes with pilots hired to commit suicide? Again I do not honestly know all the facts...I only know the facts we do know do not fit the narrative... Most of them do. the buildings essentially disintegrated to powder...and fell straight down...it did not follow the path of least resistance...if fell through itself...like it was deliberately demolished... Again, it was not demolished. To think they they knew to plant explosives on certain floors which they would then manage to use commercial airliners travelling hundreds of miles an hour to pinpoint hitting the exact locations of the floors that were wired for explosives just so that where the building started to collapse coincided with where the planes hit the building...... That is illogical. And too risky for the government. They would simply hire pilots to crash the planes and into the building and wait for the fires to weaken the structure to the point of collapse.
7/25/2015 3:03:37 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Quote from progrocknic: Again, it was not demolished. To think they they knew to plant explosives on certain floors which they would then manage to use commercial airliners travelling hundreds of miles an hour to pinpoint hitting the exact locations of the floors that were wired for explosives just so that where the building started to collapse coincided with where the planes hit the building...... That is illogical. And too risky for the government. They would simply hire pilots to crash the planes and into the building and wait for the fires to weaken the structure to the point of collapse. Why would you even try to frame it that way... A COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT would have folded at the building...but they needed us to think they were commercial aircraft when they were really super reinforced military planes used to fly into the building and to maintain the charade the commercial flights were lead out to sea and shot down... the collapse did not have to coincide with the planes hitting the building....we all KNOW the collapse was over an hour away from the impact of the planes... The explosives would have been placed all down the building to clear out stable sections of the building before the force came down allow the build to essentially fall through itself straight down...as it did...
7/25/2015 3:04:14 PM	Kennesaw, GA
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from nuffan: they did not see a up close of the impact...they did however get a much better look at the plane on its way to the tower...and were easily able to follow it all the way to the towers impact.... is that really so hard to believe? No, it isn't hard to believe, not at all and yes, it is quite believable that they did see the plane, but it was at something like 28,000 feet above them as it crossed over the Hudson River, so I do find it hard to believe that they could identify the said plane. However, it doesn't really matter as you have debunked a poster on here (57 channels) who insists that no planes flew that day. That said, he also believes that the passengers were taken away and shot and also that the planes were maybe taken over the Atlantic and destroyed...yet he maintains no planes took off. Contradictions.com.
7/25/2015 3:06:42 PM	Kennesaw, GA
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from nuffan: they were really super reinforced military planes used to fly into the building and to maintain the charade the commercial flights were lead out to sea and shot down... Oh, now we start to see your true colors. What was the name of these super reinforced planes?
7/25/2015 3:08:23 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Quote from higgy51: No, it isn't hard to believe, not at all and yes, it is quite believable that they did see the plane, but it was at something like 28,000 feet above them as it crossed over the Hudson River, so I do find it hard to believe that they could identify the said plane. However, it doesn't really matter as you have debunked a poster on here (57 channels) who insists that no planes flew that day. That said, he also believes that the passengers were taken away and shot and also that the planes were maybe taken over the Atlantic and destroyed...yet he maintains no planes took off. Contradictions.com. it was not at no 28,000 feet on approach to hitting the tower....again they were not THAT close but they were within reasonable distance for something that happened that high above ground level and the fact that the Jersey side is elevated quite a bit from the New York side...where they were standing... [Edited 7/25/2015 3:09:24 PM ]
7/25/2015 3:14:56 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Quote from higgy51: Oh, now we start to see your true colors. What was the name of these super reinforced planes? reinforced planes is one theory...it does not change the physics the wing would have sheared off and fallen not sliced into the tower like they did so either they were reinforced or there was a timed explosion... the fact that the entire plane just disappeared into the tower does not wash...many have said this...people who would know... something caused it to appear that way... and something allowed that building to fall straight down through itself...and the weight of the building above does not explain it...many have pointed that out...again people who would know...
7/25/2015 3:15:16 PM	Kennesaw, GA
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from nuffan: it was not at no 28,000 feet on approach to hitting the tower....again they were not THAT close but they were within reasonable distance for something that happened that high above ground level and the fact that the Jersey side is elevated quite a bit from the New York side...where they were standing... ############################################################################## No, we know it wasn't at that height, all I am saying to you is as it crossed over the Hudson - where they were standing or near to it - it WAS at 28,000 feet. As I said though, it doesn't matter really. I am more interested in your claim of this super airplane the military have!
7/25/2015 3:15:29 PM	Kennesaw, GA
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	How long did it take for people to grasp the fact that the US Govt. killed or had JFK killed?? A heck of alot longer than it will take for prople to realize that NO fkn planes flew that day on 9-11. Thank God for the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The truth is out there, but you gotta search and use an open mind. Close minded paid government shills or stoolies need not apply.
7/25/2015 3:21:07 PM	Kennesaw, GA
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	higgy However, it doesn't really matter as you have debunked a poster on here (57 channels) who insists that no planes flew that day. ============================================== I don't insist on anything, that sounds like a bullying tactic that you and the other kids try to use. I believe that no planes flew that mourning [ out of the alleged 4 ] because all of the evidence points to the CGI crews and the mainstream media showing us a movie....with all the smoke and fire ........and of course those tape recorded " horrified voices " Cant forget those. Those tape recorded horrified voices probably got some 20,000 young kids to join the military and later on many committed suicide
7/25/2015 3:21:13 PM	Kennesaw, GA
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from nuffan: reinforced planes is one theory...it does not change the physics the wing would have sheared off and fallen not sliced into the tower like they did so either they were reinforced or there was a timed explosion... ################################################################################ So it is now merely a theory? Yet you said this: "A COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT would have folded at the building...but they needed us to think they were commercial aircraft when they were really super reinforced military planes used to fly into the building and to maintain the charade the commercial flights were lead out to sea and shot down..." I am sorry, that led me to believe that you really meant what you said, so now it is a mere theory, just like one that 57 channels has of the planes really were missiles dressed as planes via the use of a hologram.
7/25/2015 3:21:42 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Quote from 57channels: How long did it take for people to grasp the fact that the US Govt. killed or had JFK killed?? A heck of alot longer than it will take for prople to realize that NO fkn planes flew that day on 9-11. Thank God for the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The truth is out there, but you gotta search and use an open mind. Close minded paid government shills or stoolies need not apply. There is no doubt planes flew into that building... they may have been drones...unmanned...but a plane did in fact fly into the building...I know too many who saw it most from quite a distance...3 had a pretty good location to watch it from... I agree that people within the government were at least complicit in the assassination of JFK...have for a very long time...
7/25/2015 3:23:41 PM	Kennesaw, GA
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from 57channels: I don't insist on anything, that sounds like a bullying tactic that you and the other kids try to use. I believe that no planes flew that mourning [ out of the alleged 4 ] because all of the evidence points to the CGI crews and the mainstream media showing us a movie...:##################################################################### You believe no planes flew? Okay, but you have insisted that point on a number of occasions and now we have a poster debunking you for you have said that they were missiles, he said his three friends saw the plane hit the Towers.
7/25/2015 3:27:06 PM	Kennesaw, GA
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from 57channels: A heck of alot longer than it will take for prople to realize that NO fkn planes flew that day on 9-11. ############################################################################ Oh wait a minute 57, didn't you just say that you did not insist that no planes flew, you only believed? This above seems to debunk your own very self doesn't it? The above seems to be very categorical in you saying that no planes flew and not that you believe that no planes flew. So 57, which one is it? NO planes flew or You BELIEVE no planes flew?
7/25/2015 3:29:33 PM	Kennesaw, GA
progrocknic Mount Arlington, NJ 31, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from nuffan: Why would you even try to frame it that way... A COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT would have folded at the building...but they needed us to think they were commercial aircraft when they were really super reinforced military planes used to fly into the building and to maintain the charade the commercial flights were lead out to sea and shot down... Why would they need reinforced planes if they were just going to demolish the building? That makes no sense whatsoever. the collapse did not have to coincide with the planes hitting the building....we all KNOW the collapse was over an hour away from the impact of the planes... Yes, and fire burning that long was enough to weaken the structure. If you think otherwise, let's see the calculations. The explosives would have been placed all down the building to clear out stable sections of the building before the force came down allow the build to essentially fall through itself straight down...as it did... Again, I'll need to see the calculations you used to determine the building wouldn't fall straight down. You'll also have to let me know when the explosives were installed, which I will assume you have evidence for. Because if you don't have evidence for explosives being installed throughout the entire building, then you are Only assuming that something else happened to fit your views.
7/25/2015 4:05:22 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from nuffan: Quote from 57channels: How long did it take for people to grasp the fact that the US Govt. killed or had JFK killed?? A heck of alot longer than it will take for prople to realize that NO fkn planes flew that day on 9-11. Thank God for the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The truth is out there, but you gotta search and use an open mind. Close minded paid government shills or stoolies need not apply. There is no doubt planes flew into that building... they may have been drones...unmanned...but a plane did in fact fly into the building...I know too many who saw it most from quite a distance...3 had a pretty good location to watch it from... I agree that people within the government were at least complicit in the assassination of JFK...have for a very long time... In that 57channels likes to repeatedly interject JFK's assassination as though it were somehow linked to 911 (my guess: by way of evil government, joo's, mafia etc), I provided him with the link below to an interesting interview regarding the JFK conspiracies by Gerald Posner. Don't worry, its not that long, but just long enough to get you primed. Especially should either one of you's start a JFK thread, instead of cluttering up this one. Gerald Posner on JFK. November 16, 2013. Linky... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5A5yZO9QvQ Sorry to interrupt here.
7/25/2015 4:10:40 PM	Kennesaw, GA
louie6332 Falkville, AL 73, joined Nov. 2011 online now!	The emergency diesel engine generator units, six of them altogether, were located in sub-basement 6, the lowest level, on the west side of the tower one. The fuel was stored, not on each floor, as at least one of the three higges suggest, but in the basement with the generator units. And, as already noted, the kitchens did not require gas, as some government shills suggest, they were all electric. There were no fuel tanks stored throughout the building as the three higgy government shills suggest. Whatever it was that sheered the steel columns was heard and felt as explosions in all three buildings, and that would be demolition charges going off in sequence. Need I say more? One other thing needs to be stated. The government illegally destroyed all evidence. Not only were videos confiscated and suppressed, but the steel columns were immediately shipped to China for salvage. That right there should tell you something. Why were they so quick to destroy the evidence? And why did they go to the trouble to plant fake evidence? Louie [Edited 7/25/2015 4:13:08 PM ]
7/25/2015 4:12:26 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Quote from progrocknic: Again, I'll need to see the calculations you used to determine the building wouldn't fall straight down. You'll also have to let me know when the explosives were installed, which I will assume you have evidence for. Because if you don't have evidence for explosives being installed throughout the entire building, then you are Only assuming that something else happened to fit your views. you keep missing the f**king point... I do not have all the answers...just that the narrative does not fit the known facts... every engineer that I have heard comment has said the buildings could not fall that way on their own based solely on the weight above... Of course I have no evidence...as I stated earlier...Lack of evidence does not mean it absolutely did not happen...just means we can not prove it at this time...but there is an explanation somewhere for how the building collapsed the way it did and it is not what we were told... [Edited 7/25/2015 4:13:47 PM ]
7/25/2015 4:19:39 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	you seem to contend that since no one can provide evidence to EXACTLY what did happen the current narrative must be accurate... My contention is the current narrative is not accurate and does not fit the known facts...yet I do not know for certain nor can I prove what did happen only it does not fit what they claim... look up some of the structural engineer comments on the collapse...ALL of them say the building would not have collapsed the way it did because of the weight of the building above the impact point...so there has to be some other explanation...
7/25/2015 4:44:05 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from nuffan: you seem to contend that since no one can provide evidence to EXACTLY what did happen the current narrative must be accurate... My contention is the current narrative is not accurate and does not fit the known facts...yet I do not know for certain nor can I prove what did happen only it does not fit what they claim... look up some of the structural engineer comments on the collapse...ALL of them say the building would not have collapsed the way it did because of the weight of the building above the impact point...so there has to be some other explanation... Having reviewed several analyses by various structural engineers, might I point out this this one which had been peer reviewed. Linky... http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf
7/25/2015 7:21:47 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from nuffan: Quote from 57channels: How long did it take for people to grasp the fact that the US Govt. killed or had JFK killed?? A heck of alot longer than it will take for prople to realize that NO fkn planes flew that day on 9-11. Thank God for the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The truth is out there, but you gotta search and use an open mind. Close minded paid government shills or stoolies need not apply. There is no doubt planes flew into that building... they may have been drones...unmanned...but a plane did in fact fly into the building...I know too many who saw it most from quite a distance...3 had a pretty good location to watch it from... I agree that people within the government were at least complicit in the assassination of JFK...have for a very long time... The ONLY way any plane would be able to fully penetrate them towers would be if the outside metal beams of the building where the point of impact would be, were already rigged up with thermite and the thermite already activated to cut thru them beams minutes before impact. How would the plane know exactly where to hit the building will be one of these retard shills questions, and to that i say do you moron shills know what a military drone is and how it works?
7/25/2015 7:48:24 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	By the way 3 1/2 stooges, i'm still waiting on your bullshit to debunk Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of EXPLOSIVES in WTC7
7/25/2015 7:58:44 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: Having reviewed several analyses by various structural engineers, might I point out this this one which had been peer reviewed. Linky... http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf And to your crock of shit posted link of some government stooge excuse of an engineer, this dumb a** countryboy with no fancy pants education and nothing but common sense to go on says BULLSHIT!!!!! DO i need to post FACTUAL photos of other scyscrapers across the world with ONE HELL OF ALLOT MORE FIRE, more like BLAZING INFERNOS, that NEVER COLLAPSED? Take your bullshit elsewhere and find some other idiots to feed your crap to shill
7/25/2015 7:59:55 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Quote from tragicparrot: Having reviewed several analyses by various structural engineers, might I point out this this one which had been peer reviewed. Linky... http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf Yes it is even mentioned by some of its opponents who say the claim that the weight of the floors above would still be equally distributed across all columns after the impact is flawed...because it assumes all the heat damage was equally spread...floors 15 levels down did not have the immense heat damage...and they did not heat up as the building fell...lol even all columns of the floor impacted by the plane were NOT equally damaged... this would cause the building fall in a very different manner and not like it was timed detonation demolition... I will see if I can find the link to the video I watched. The one I watched noted three major issues...the building fall straight down through itself...the plane wings slicing into the tower and not shearing off and the plane completely entering the tower... The report you linked is the one they are hanging the official story on...and many dispute it.. [Edited 7/25/2015 8:01:56 PM ]
7/25/2015 8:28:10 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: By the way 3 1/2 stooges, i'm still waiting on your bullshit to debunk Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of EXPLOSIVES in WTC7 Eyewitness testimony of explosives? Or was it bodies? By all means post something in reference to him testifying the he saw as in "eyewitnessed explosives" at WTC7.
7/25/2015 8:37:39 PM	Kennesaw, GA
progrocknic Mount Arlington, NJ 31, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from nuffan: Yes it is even mentioned by some of its opponents who say the claim that the weight of the floors above would still be equally distributed across all columns after the impact is flawed...because it assumes all the heat damage was equally spread...floors 15 levels down did not have the immense heat damage...and they did not heat up as the building fell...lol even all columns of the floor impacted by the plane were NOT equally damaged... this would cause the building fall in a very different manner and not like it was timed detonation demolition... Again, I'd like to see your calculations. Experts from a peer reviewed study did the calculations and concluded why the building came down. All I've seen from you so far is that the building couldn't have fallen that way. I'll go with the peer reviewed study. I will see if I can find the link to the video I watched. The one I watched noted three major issues...the building fall straight down through itself...the plane wings slicing into the tower and not shearing off and the plane completely entering the tower... The report you linked is the one they are hanging the official story on...and many dispute it.. A loud radical voice who offers no evidence of a conspiracy dispute it. People who have retaired early off the money they make through books and donations to "expose the truth" dispute it. But those who look at things objectively with some logic and common sense go with what the experts say. A planes wings will slice through thin aluminum and glass at 400+ mph. You should see some of the things that will penetrate brick in a tornado. Unless you have the calculations to back up a theory about how a plane traveling 400+ mph somehow doesn't penetrate an aluminum and glass shell, by all means.
7/25/2015 8:38:44 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: Eyewitness testimony of explosives? Or was it bodies? By all means post something in reference to him testifying the he saw as in "eyewitnessed explosives" at WTC7. All you have to do is WATCH his testimony on MANY youtube videos of how the stairs exploded out from underneath him as he and his boss were trying to get back down to the lobby of WTC7. You remember WTC7 huh shills? The one 40 story building that NEVER was hit by a plane on 9/11 and yet COLLAPSED on 9/11.If stairs that i'm on trying while trying to escape a building disappear from underneath me right after i HEAR EXPLOSIONS then that shill is a EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF EXPLOSIONS!!! Explain this one away shill [Edited 7/25/2015 8:41:46 PM ]
7/25/2015 8:44:55 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from nuffan: Yes it is even mentioned by some of its opponents who say the claim that the weight of the floors above would still be equally distributed across all columns after the impact is flawed...because it assumes all the heat damage was equally spread...floors 15 levels down did not have the immense heat damage...and they did not heat up as the building fell...lol even all columns of the floor impacted by the plane were NOT equally damaged... this would cause the building fall in a very different manner and not like it was timed detonation demolition... I will see if I can find the link to the video I watched. The one I watched noted three major issues...the building fall straight down through itself...the plane wings slicing into the tower and not shearing off and the plane completely entering the tower... The report you linked is the one they are hanging the official story on...and many dispute it.. The report I linked to was independent of the official story. I can also provide several others. Who, might I ask, disputed it? Also, please clarify which WTC your making reference to, and what evidence concludes its collapse was "timed".
7/25/2015 8:48:07 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from progrocknic: A loud radical voice who offers no evidence of a conspiracy dispute it. People who have retaired early off the money they make through books and donations to "expose the truth" dispute it. But those who look at things objectively with some logic and common sense go with what the experts say. A planes wings will slice through thin aluminum and glass at 400+ mph. You should see some of the things that will penetrate brick in a tornado. Unless you have the calculations to back up a theory about how a plane traveling 400+ mph somehow doesn't penetrate an aluminum and glass shell, by all means. Where the hell do you get that the outside perimeter of each trade tower were made merely of "aluminum and glass" ? You dimwit.
7/25/2015 8:50:06 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: Where the hell do you get that the outside perimeter of each trade tower were made merely of "aluminum and glass" ? You dimwit. Where do you get the fuselage found on top WTC 5 was made if tin?
7/25/2015 8:54:51 PM	Kennesaw, GA
progrocknic Mount Arlington, NJ 31, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from srv63: Where the hell do you get that the outside perimeter of each trade tower were made merely of "aluminum and glass" ? You dimwit. It was supposed to say aluminum wings and steel and glass but the point remains. I've witnesses water and sand cut granite.
7/25/2015 9:01:01 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: All you have to do is WATCH his testimony on MANY youtube videos of how the stairs exploded out from underneath him as he and his boss were trying to get back down to the lobby of WTC7. You remember WTC7 huh shills? The one 40 story building that NEVER was hit by a plane on 9/11 and yet COLLAPSED on 9/11.If stairs that i'm on trying while trying to escape a building disappear from underneath me right after i HEAR EXPLOSIONS then that shill is a EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF EXPLOSIONS!!! Explain this one away shill Nobody here ever stated WTC 7 was hit by a plane. And all Mr Jennings and Mr Hess testified to, was that they heard explosions just before the stairs collapsed beneath them, which is consistent to whenever a building collapses.
7/25/2015 9:08:28 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: Where do you get the fuselage found on top WTC 5 was made if tin? If it RUSTS then it sure the hell isn't amuminum huh shill. Now when are you gonna grow the stones to debunking Mr. Barry Jennings? Huh shill?
7/25/2015 9:32:53 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: By the way 3 1/2 stooges, i'm still waiting on your bullshit to debunk Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of EXPLOSIVES in WTC7 Barry Jennings worked for the Emergency Services Department of the New York City Housing Authority. On September 11th 2001 he was among the personnel called up to staff the Emergency Operations Center (EOC) inside the Office of Emergency Management (OEM) on the 23rd floor of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7). When WTC 1 collapsed he was trapped on the 8th floor together with the New York City’s Corporation Consul Michael Hess. After some time they were rescued by firefighters who brought them out of the building. In 2007 Barry Jennings was interviewed by the well-known conspiracy theorists Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas about his experience inside WTC 7. In the interview Barry Jennings gives an honest account of the events that he experienced inside WTC 7. The only problem with the interview is that Barry Jennings had placed the events he experienced that day into a faulty timeline, a simple and understandable mistake by Barry Jennings when he attempted make sense of his experiences in the aftermath. This is something that should be quite obvious to anyone looking into what happened at the World Trade Center that day. But because of the faulty timeline and a few parts of the interview that that were possible to misrepresent, Barry Jennings ends up as the centerpiece in the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of WTC 7. Sadly enough this controversy must surely have clouded his last remaining living year. Barry Jennings died on august 19th 2008. True to form Dylan Avery and other conspiracy theorists immediately added his death to their delusional conspiracy theories, implying that Barry Jennings must have been murdered because he knew too much. One of the big issues for the conspiracy theorists was that they could not find his obituary. But his obituary appeared in the October issue of NYCHA Employee Bulletin, a bimonthly publication. Linky here... http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/downloads/pdf/emp_bulletin_oct_2008.pdf The full uncut interview with Barry Jennings can be seen here on YouTube; together with a short interview Barry Jennings gave to ABC7 on September 11th 2001 shortly after he got out of WTC7: Barry Jennings Interviews (WABC-TV, 2001 / LTW, 2007) can be found here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeY2vJ6ZoA Controversies In the interview Barry Jennings makes the following claims that seems to contradict the established narrative of what happened in and around WTC 7 that day: That he and Michael Hess arrived in the Emergency Operations Center on the 23rd floor before Flight 175 hit WTC 2. That the EOC was empty when they arrived there. That they experienced an explosion inside WTC 7 that trapped them on floor 8th before either WTC 1 and WTC 2 had collapsed. That he could see both WTC 1 and WTC 2 standing from the 8th floor inside WTC 7. That he could see burning buses and police cars outside WTC 7 from the 8th floor before either WTC 1 and WTC 2 had collapsed. That he heard explosions while he was trapped on the 8th floor. That WTC 2 and WTC 1 collapsed while they were trapped on floor 8th. That the lobby of WTC 7 looked like King Kong had walked through it. That he believed it felt like he steeped on dead bodies when he was rescued out of WTC 7. The claim that the mayor Rudy Giuliani had been in WTC 7 before Barry Jennings arrived before Flight 175 hit WTC 2 Continued...
7/25/2015 9:33:10 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Continued... Taken at face value the interview seems to contain several controversial statements compared to the well established facts of September 11th, as reported in mainstream media, witness accounts, the NIST reports, the 9/11 Commission report and other reports and studies. But a closer look at the claims made by Barry Jennings and the events he describes in the interview makes it very obvious that Barry Jennings timeline is wrong. The interview contains more than enough information to create a corrected timeline of the events described by Barry Jennings in the interview. In the table below I have corrected the timeline of Barry Jennings. Time Event Corrected Barry Jennings Timeline 08:46 Flight 11 hits WTC 1 08:46 – 09:03 Office workers begins to evacuate the buildingActivation of the EOC Barry Jennings on his way to work is called and asked to go to the EOC. This could also have occurred after 09:03. 09:03 Flight 175 hits WTC 2 09:03 – 09:32 General evacuation of the building by all office workers 09:32 – 09:44 Evacuation of the OEM and EOC after it is being reported that a possible third plane is approaching 09:44 – 09:59 Barry Jennings and Michael Hess arrive in the EOC on floor 23. The EOC is empty. 09:59 WTC 2 collapsesShaking of buildingPower failureElevators stop working Michael Hess describes in an interviewower failureThe Elevators stop working 09:59 – 10:28 Remaining personnel evacuates the building including the EMS triage center established in the loading dock on the ground floor. Barry Jennings makes phonecalls to find out what is going on. Told on the phone to leave the building. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess evacuates down the east stairwell of WTC 7. 10:28 WTC 1 collapsesLarge pieces of debris hits the south face of WTC 7 causing extensive damage to buildings exterior. Burning debris from WTC 1 starts fires on several floors. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess on floor 6 in the stairwell:The building shaking and the stairwell fills with dust and smoke. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess forced back to floor 8th 10:28 – 11:59 Evacuation of a WTC 7 security officer trapped on floor 7 Breaks window on floor 8 and calls for helpEvacuated by firefighters during this time frame 05:21 WTC 7 collapses. As said, there are no controversies here when the claims are placed in the proper context together with a corrected timeline. Something NIST did after they interviewed Barry Jennings and Michael Hess in spring 2004.
7/25/2015 9:34:09 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: Nobody here ever stated WTC 7 was hit by a plane. And all Mr Jennings and Mr Hess testified to, was that they heard explosions just before the stairs collapsed beneath them, which is consistent to whenever a building collapses. Your one sneaky snake but guess what shill, your not good enough to debunk this. So what your trying to say is that Mr Barry Jennings and Mr Hess heard explosions that could only be the sounds of faint explosions omitted while one of the twin towers outside was collapsing? I guess the LOUD EXPLOSIONS that they heard right when the stairs beneath their feet gave way was all a figment of their imagination?
7/25/2015 9:59:31 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Once again for those who have ZERO reading comprehension... my opinion is it does not fit the known facts... There is no smoking gun evidence... the columns in World Trade Center 1 and 2 were made of concrete and steel not aluminum and glass... and just as many people have been paid to support a version you present as have been paid or otherwise had incentive to dispute it... the difference is I state mine is simply opinion (and last I check I am allowed to have one)...you are absolutely your version is correct...
7/25/2015 10:01:14 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	IF you want to believe the official story...go for it... I do not...
7/25/2015 10:10:54 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from nuffan: IF you want to believe the official story...go for it... I do not... If you want to believe in 57channels hologram no-plane theory and srv63's load of BS, go for it.
7/25/2015 10:16:22 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Quote from tragicparrot: If you want to believe in 57channels hologram no-plane theory and srv63's load of BS, go for it. I had several post disputing the there were no planes comments... are you really that ignorant? ONCE again since you are too stupid for simple reading comprehension... I do not know what the TRUE story of events are...In MY OPINION the official story does not fit... That is not me taking anyone else's version as the reality...it says one thing... I do not believe the official story... IS THAT F**KING CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU...
7/25/2015 10:29:05 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from nuffan: Once again for those who have ZERO reading comprehension... my opinion is it does not fit the known facts... Obviously. Quote from nuffan: There is no smoking gun evidence... At least from your standpoint. Quote from nuffan: the columns in World Trade Center 1 and 2 were made of concrete and steel not aluminum and glass... The towers were designed and built in the mid-1960s through the early 1970s. They represented a new approach to skyscrapers in that they were to be very lightweight and involved modular construction methods in order to accelerate the schedule and to reduce the costs. Linky... http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html Quote from nuffan: and just as many people have been paid to support a version you present as have been paid or otherwise had incentive to dispute it... Where is it your unable to find evidence besides websites attributed to Alex Jones and Richard Gage? Quote from nuffan: the difference is I state mine is simply opinion (and last I check I am allowed to have one)...you are absolutely your version is correct... Thank you. I pride myself in presenting a more scientific approach to 911 rather than apply a belief system.
7/25/2015 10:38:36 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from nuffan: I had several post disputing the there were no planes comments... are you really that ignorant? ONCE again since you are too stupid for simple reading comprehension... I do not know what the TRUE story of events are...In MY OPINION the official story does not fit... That is not me taking anyone else's version as the reality...it says one thing... I do not believe the official story... IS THAT F**KING CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU... No problem. Does this mean 57channels and funwithmusic won't be challenging your opinion any time soon? [Edited 7/25/2015 10:38:59 PM ]
7/25/2015 10:40:34 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from nuffan: I had several post disputing the there were no planes comments... are you really that ignorant? ONCE again since you are too stupid for simple reading comprehension... I do not know what the TRUE story of events are...In MY OPINION the official story does not fit... That is not me taking anyone else's version as the reality...it says one thing... I do not believe the official story... IS THAT F**KING CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU... Uh oh, i think your officially tagged as one of us "nutcases" by the shills now Btw, the KEY to the truth is to focus on the little parts of 9/11 that don't make sense and not the big ones. Building 7 is the one that PROVES that 9/11 was an inside job WITHOUT A DOUBT and even these retard shills can't dispute it. The next weak point is the pentacon missile crash site of NO plane, NO bodies and NO fuel and NO luggage then you will find the exact same con in shanksville
7/25/2015 10:43:55 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Quote from tragicparrot: Thank you. I pride myself in presenting a more scientific approach to 911 rather than apply a belief system. Translation... I bought the bullshit they fed me... it is not simply a belief system...it is actually called critical thinking... with all the advancements used in its creation...the support columns were still concrete and steel...and they were close enough together that an entire wing span could not simply lineup between the columns...and when those wings hit those support columns they would have sheared off... even if I believed your linked study on why it fell straight down (which I don't)...but I did not simply say I just do not believe it...I gave my reasons...the study says near the top it makes the assumption that the weight of the floors above would remain equally distributed even after the impact damage and intense heat...and that is a very bad assumption...
7/25/2015 11:02:58 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	There was all sorts of reports about the assassination of Kennedy also...most of which were sold as facts by same group of people... lone gunman? very few buy that one today... the single shot theory...how many times did that bullet change directions... and it was you guessed it peer reviewed also... The US military never brought in huge amounts of drugs from Cambodia and Laos... We did not covertly supply arms to Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians... We did not turn our back on that same group led by bin Laden the moment the Russians retreated... Iraq has weapons of Mass Destruction... What is the point being made here... We are told a lot of things by our government... most of it is bullshit... the 9/11 narrative wreaks of bullshit just like so many others... [Edited 7/25/2015 11:03:32 PM ]
7/25/2015 11:12:26 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	@ all of the idiot shills, including the 1/2 shill in training. Are you stooges stumped on how your going to debunk Barry Jennings accounts of the stairway beneath him in building 7 collapsing? No reference of how to dispute it in your idiot manuals? No attempts on twisting the FACTS? No attempts on twisting his words or meanings? No attempts at saying Barry Jennings was a nut that just THOUGHT the stairs beneath his feet disappeared? No gooberment sponsored site to scramble for MISLEADING INFORMATION? I told you clowns that building 7 was what buries your ignorant deceptive asses
7/25/2015 11:14:56 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from nuffan: There was all sorts of reports about the assassination of Kennedy also...most of which were sold as facts by same group of people... lone gunman? very few buy that one today... the single shot theory...how many times did that bullet change directions... and it was you guessed it peer reviewed also... The US military never brought in huge amounts of drugs from Cambodia and Laos... We did not covertly supply arms to Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians... We did not turn our back on that same group led by bin Laden the moment the Russians retreated... Iraq has weapons of Mass Destruction... What is the point being made here... We are told a lot of things by our government... most of it is bullshit... the 9/11 narrative wreaks of bullshit just like so many others... We are told a lot of things by truthers, most of which has been proved to be utter Bull Shit.
7/25/2015 11:17:55 PM	Kennesaw, GA
progrocknic Mount Arlington, NJ 31, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from nuffan: IF you want to believe the official story...go for it... I do not... I don't believe the governments story. If what I believe happens to line up with their story, so be it. Commercial airliners hit those buildings and the people in those airliners perished. The towers came down as a result of the weakened structure and further weakening from uncontrolled fired. Those are the facts. If the government is behind it, I'm all for the idea. But not if it requires ignoring facts.
7/25/2015 11:19:21 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	@ Nuffan, Notice how the shill stays away from building 7. His idiot manual doesn't give him answers to dispute it so they cower away
7/25/2015 11:22:15 PM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from progrocknic: I don't believe the governments story. If what I believe happens to line up with their story, so be it. Commercial airliners hit those buildings and the people in those airliners perished. The towers came down as a result of the weakened structure and further weakening from uncontrolled fired. Those are the facts. If the government is behind it, I'm all for the idea. But not if it requires ignoring facts. Explain WTC7 then wannabe shill in training
7/25/2015 11:25:27 PM	Kennesaw, GA
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: @ Nuffan, Notice how the shill stays away from building 7. His idiot manual doesn't give him answers to dispute it so they cower away Notice how srv63 avoids backing up his claim that the fuselage found a top WTC was made of tin.
7/25/2015 11:31:30 PM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Quote from tragicparrot: We are told a lot of things by truthers, most of which has been proved to be utter Bull Shit. Oh I am quite sure... and somewhere within all the stories is the truth... If you want to believe the government narrative is always the truth...you go right ahead...it is after all a free country...lol I on the other hand do not accept what ever is thrown out there as absolute truth just because it is coming from the government... and when I see things that do not add up I question it... Again I realize the whole attacks on 9/11 I really do not have enough information to say with any certainty this is what happened... I simply point out it does not fit the narrative...and their explanations to why are no better than the ones used with the Kennedy assassination... Hell here is your first clue...all the documents that surround the Kennedy assassination are still sealed...and most likely will be past most of our life times... We could not actually hear the Nixon tapes until YEARS after the fact... Why don't we insist our government not be allowed to do things like that... Pick and choose what we the people are allowed to know... If you ask me it is pretty f**ked up... [Edited 7/25/2015 11:34:38 PM ]
7/26/2015 12:10:49 AM	Kennesaw, GA
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014 online now!	Quote from progrocknic: I don't believe the governments story. If what I believe happens to line up with their story, so be it. Commercial airliners hit those buildings and the people in those airliners perished. The towers came down as a result of the weakened structure and further weakening from uncontrolled fired. Those are the facts. If the government is behind it, I'm all for the idea. But not if it requires ignoring facts. and see we are not that far apart... I agree aircraft hit the towers... commercial airliners I am not convinced on...but I am not denying it either as there could easily be other explanation for how the plane disappeared into the structure...I agree the people on those commercial airliners perished ..They may have been on the planes that hit the WTC...but they did not have to be...that is very easy to make appear as if it were those commercial aircraft... The scary part is we have gotten to a place in history where the elite that control so much of the wealth have so much at stake are capable of things like this to protect their interest... Make no mistake many people got VERY rich off the reaction of America... Many of our liberties were taken in the name of safety over this attack... There is plenty of motive... That got them a free pass to invade Afghanistan...which was the stepping stone to invading Iraq... again make no mistake...a lot of people got rich because we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq... I wish I was a structural engineer and understood the science better but I have heard several versions of what happened...and the one that explained why the building would not collapse as it did was pretty convincing...it may not be the correct version...but it sounded more logical than the one we are told....it asked certain questions I have yet to see reconciled from the current narrative... I mean what was the World Trade Center in height? under 2000 feet...so these planes were not at 28,000...ever sit and watch the planes come in to the airport...planes that close to the ground can be seen very clearly...and witnesses have said they did not look like commercial aircraft... maybe they are wrong...maybe they just have bad vision...but it is more than one...so it makes me at least curious... The only video footage I have seen is just not clear enough...
7/26/2015 12:44:02 AM	Kennesaw, GA
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from nuffan: the columns in World Trade Center 1 and 2 were made of concrete and steel not aluminum and glass... .. No they weren't.
7/26/2015 12:55:15 AM	Kennesaw, GA
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from srv63: @ all of the idiot shills, including the 1/2 shill in training. Are you stooges stumped on how your going to debunk Barry Jennings accounts of the stairway beneath him in building 7 collapsing? : Listen up you foolish man. Your question has been answered by Tragic. We have no need to debunk your Mr Jennings and want to know why? There is NOTHING to debunk!! We know the time frame of events, they are quite adequately posted in the link below. We know there were 'explosions' , there are man eye witnesses have said this and yes, it is most probable that the floor disappeared below their feet. https://septembermyths.wordpress.com/world-trade-center/wtc-7-and-the-barry-jennings-story/ Maybe now you will try to prove that the fuselage was made of TIN? Maybe you will have something a little more substantial than what YOU CLAIM is rust!!
7/26/2015 12:58:44 AM	Kennesaw, GA
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from nuffan: I mean what was the World Trade Center in height? under 2000 feet...so these planes were not at 28,000...ever sit and watch the planes come in to the airport...planes that close to the ground can be seen very clearly...and witnesses have said they did not look like commercial aircraft... maybe they are wrong...maybe they just have bad vision...but it is more than one...so it makes me at least curious... We KNOW the planes were not at 28,000 when they hit the Towers. I SAID that they were at 28,000 going over the Hudson! At 08:55, a supervisor at the New York Air Traffic Control Center notified the center's operations manager of the Flight 175 hijacking, and David Bottiglia, who was handling both Flight 11 and Flight 175, noted, "we might have a hijack over here, two of them." At 08:58, the plane was over New Jersey at 28,500 feet, heading toward New York City. In the five minutes from approximately 08:58 when Shehhi completed the final turn toward New York City until the moment of impact, the plane was in a sustained power dive, descending more than 24,000 feet in 5 minutes 4 seconds, for an average rate of over 5,000 feet per minute. New York Center air traffic controller Dave Bottiglia reported he and his colleagues "were counting down the altitudes, and they were descending, right at the end, at 10,000 feet per minute. That is absolutely unheard of for a commercial jet."
7/26/2015 5:46:23 AM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from higgy51: Listen up you foolish man. Your question has been answered by Tragic. We have no need to debunk your Mr Jennings and want to know why? There is NOTHING to debunk!! We know the time frame of events, they are quite adequately posted in the link below. We know there were 'explosions' , there are man eye witnesses have said this and yes, it is most probable that the floor disappeared below their feet. https://septembermyths.wordpress.com/world-trade-center/wtc-7-and-the-barry-jennings-story/ Maybe now you will try to prove that the fuselage was made of TIN? Maybe you will have something a little more substantial than what YOU CLAIM is rust!! Look here you side stepping fool, Just like your sneaky side stepping pal the parrot, you as well side step the PROOF of building 7 being an inside job.Trying to change the subject will not work here either so FAIL
7/26/2015 6:02:39 AM	Kennesaw, GA
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from higgy51: Listen up you foolish man. Your question has been answered by Tragic. We have no need to debunk your Mr Jennings and want to know why? There is NOTHING to debunk!! We know the time frame of events, they are quite adequately posted in the link below. We know there were 'explosions' , there are man eye witnesses have said this and yes, it is most probable that the floor disappeared below their feet. https://septembermyths.wordpress.com/world-trade-center/wtc-7-and-the-barry-jennings-story/ Maybe now you will try to prove that the fuselage was made of TIN? Maybe you will have something a little more substantial than what YOU CLAIM is rust!! As far as your timeline bullshit or explosions possibly being from some boiler, you FAIL shills. Now use that little pea brain of yours and you might see the OBVIOUS reasons why your BULLSHIT does NOT make any sense
7/26/2015 6:49:16 AM	Kennesaw, GA
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from louie6332: Concerning not being able to tell molten iron from other molten metals and the assertion that it was molten copper, that is false. Molten aluminum, for example, is silver colored, molten copper is a reddish color, and molten iron is a yellowish color. The metal seen pouring out of the towers from the outside was a yellowish color, it was molten iron, and experts in the field confirm this. It was molten iron. That is nonsense. Aluminium can glow red at a certain temperature, as can copper. You are clueless on the subject. Concerning the explosions being caused by something beside demolition charges, the government first suggested that they were caused by gas fuel containers exploding in kitchens, but all kitchens are fully electric, not gas. There are multiple sources for said explosions in any large building. That was just a nonsensical response. Furthermore, some of the huge steal beams in the towers were cut DIAGONALLY, which is a technique used by demolition experts to control the shear of the fall. That is just a myth. The famous pic of the diagonal cut you mention was the result of clean up crews. And the towers falling in their own footprints, as all three of them did, does not occur naturally. That was by design. Another myth. Note the debris field in the shot below: If that is supposed to be 'in their own footprint', you clearly have an overactive imagination. The reality is that you are just parroting a CT site without actually checking out their claims. More fool you. Furthermore, the smoke from the upper floors was black in color, showing that combustion was incomplete.Full combustion of aviation fuel is nowhere near hot enough to melt steel, much less incomplete combustion. And burning office furniture, carpets, and so on, do not burn hot enough to melt steel either. The fires, according to experts could not have been hot enough to cause the steel beams to sag, much less melt. The steel didn't melt. I don't know how many times you morons need to be told, but the steel was weakened (please note that word for it is key). Steel can begin to lose its structural integrity at 600 deg C. See below and note that the steel beams sagged across wooden beams only partially burnt. Architectural engineers who are into the design of high rises, assured everyone, before this event, that these buildings could withstand the impact of a 747 and the fires from it, and also office fires. And this is not just an opinion, it is based on physics. Incorrect. The architects boasted that the towers could withstand the impacts of a 707, and one admitted after the attacks that they had not factored in the behaviour of the fuel load (see the Purdue university simulation posted earlier). Furthermore an upper floor striking a lower floor, according to the design engineers, would not have cause the lower floors to fall. Pancaking floors meet resistance when they strike lower floors, but these DID NOT, which is proof that the columns in the lower floors had been severed BEFORE the upper floors struck them, which is the reason for the nearly free fall acceleration. And yes, measurements did confirm that they fell at nearly free fall acceleration. Absolute nonsense. A round the impact site, the steel beams supporting the concrete floors began to sag owing to the heat. Here you can clearly see the effect: Now this led to the shearing of the joins from the core and the outer shell. Once the collapse was set in motion, nothing was going to stop it. Simple physics. Three higgeys, you are arguing with experts and with eyewitnesses. Don’t you think you are grasping at straws? Be men and admit you are wrong. That is what a real man would do. Are you serious? A complete idiot such as yourself has the temerity to make such a statement. You are beneath contempt. The rest was just a stupid rant. [Edited 7/26/2015 6:52:22 AM ]
7/26/2015 7:00:03 AM	Kennesaw, GA
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from louie6332: The emergency diesel engine generator units, six of them altogether, were located in sub-basement 6, the lowest level, on the west side of the tower one. The fuel was stored, not on each floor, as at least one of the three higges suggest, but in the basement with the generator units. No, I said it was an electrical sub-station. Try again, as you are low hanging fruit there Louie. And, as already noted, the kitchens did not require gas, as some government shills suggest, they were all electric. There were no fuel tanks stored throughout the building as the three higgy government shills suggest. Whatever it was that sheered the steel columns was heard and felt as explosions in all three buildings, and that would be demolition charges going off in sequence. Need I say more? Are you really trying to say buildings of that size lacked sources for such ignitions? I'm beginning to think you are positively deluded. And the rest was just more dumb speculation.

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