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longbobby
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Quote from tragicparrot:
I'm of pure German descent. Certainly I have no need to project. Suffice to say, had you been born 30-40 years earlier, because you are likely the product of a first cousin, there's little doubt in my mind you would have been considered beyond extermination. So much for that bit of Juden Territory.
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Yeah right; if you were anymore Jewish your foreskin would be growing back.

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longbobby
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Quote from srv63:
That's funny as hell and regrettably so damn true. Nasty f**kin jews are all about money.More of them should be putting the rest of their kids on street corners to prostitute. Extra few dollars


..and they always play the victim card so well.



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tragicparrot
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Quote from longbobby:
..and they always play the victim card so well.



Welp. No evidence of a 911 conspiracy found here. Just the usual truther racist anomaly hunting techniques followed by a profound desire to use worn out antisemitic propaganda as a last resort.

I suspect longbobs, that you are suffering from some serious envy because Jewish families tend to get wealthy through hard work and educating themselves? Or is it your xenophobia that presents Jews as just another convenient target? At any rate, most intelligent people here in the western world have grown up and stopped attacking everyone who has a different cultural identity, and in America we made our cultural identity partly one of immigration and the blending of cultures. Any chance you never got the civilization memo? Or are you really that uneducated?

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longbobby
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Israeli Art Students Inside WTC ~ The B-Thing


As hard as this might be to believe a group of foreign art students NOT U.S. Citizens managed to get temporary construction ID for the entire WTC complex.

While there,they removed a window and extended a wooden balcony while their "sponsor" was in the Millenium Hotel taking photos, he also hired a helicopter to document the event.
And only a retired flight attendant sees something fishy?





Notice the BB-18 number for those fuse holders?


What kind of ART project could these Israeli's be up to?


Once a copy of this pass is in hand, one can be reproduced, a simple project for an artist.

US arrests 200 young Israelis in spying investigation

UP to 200 young Israelis, some of them former members of military intelligence units, have been arrested in America in the past year, a leaked government report disclosed yesterday.

Some had used cover stories to gain access to sensitive government buildings and the homes of American officials. The report said the actions of some of the Israelis, most of whom had outstayed tourist visas, "may well be an organised intelligence-gathering activity".

None of the Israelis, about 140 of whom are believed to have been detained before the September 11 attacks, has been charged and most have been deported, according to the US government.

A spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry, Yaffa Ben-Ari, said it was "nonsense" that they had been spying on America. There has been no formal American allegation of spying by Israel although Tel Aviv has launched espionage operations against its principal ally in the past.

The leaked report was compiled by the Drug Enforcement Administration after some of its offices were allegedly targeted by Israelis posing as art students. "That these people are now travelling in the US selling art seems not to fit their background," the DEA report said.

On Oct 31, the FBI and Immigration and Naturalisation Service officers arrested about 60 young Israelis in San Diego, Kansas City, Cleveland, Houston and St Louis. All had been selling toys at kiosks in shopping centres across America and the FBI is reported to have been investigating this as a front operation for espionage activities.

Before that date, about 140 young Israelis had been detained, some for long periods, by the FBI and other federal agencies.

There is no evidence linking these arrests to the September 11 attacks although some intelligence commentators have pointed to allegations that Israel may have been shadowing Arab militants in America without sharing its knowledge with Washington.

The DEA report said most of the students questioned by American investigators acknowledged having served in units of the Israeli armed forces specialising in military intelligence, electronic signals interception or explosive ordnance.

It added that one person questioned was the son of an Israeli general, another had served as the bodyguard to the head of the Israeli Army and a third served in a Patriot missile unit.

Young Israelis are required to serve in the military and there is a long tradition that after completing their national service they take advantage of their freedom to go out and see the world.

In 1984, Jonathan Pollard, a US naval intelligence officer, was sentenced to life in prison for spying for Israel.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1387069/US-arrests-200-young-Israelis-in-spying-investigation.html

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class5
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Quote from srv63:
Actually, WTC7 building 7 DID fall at free fall speed and if your lazy a** had watched the last video that i posted instead of criticizing it, you would also know this. ITS PROVEN shill.


Nope. The collapse sequence took 17.5 seconds; free-fall was noted on the NE corner for 2.25 seconds at the 12.5 second mark in the collapse.



Chandler from AE911T miscalculated the collapse time as he started timing from the collapse of the outer curtain wall, therefore he arrived at 6.? seconds for the collapse, hence the calculation of free fall. Chandler was wrong.

This gif demonstrates how much of the collapse sequence was invisible to Chandler.



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class5
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I challenge those who support 9/11 truth to a debate on the collapse of 7WTC. No ad homs; no straw men, or the usual evasive truther techniques-just a debate of the technical issues surrounding the collapse of 7WTC.

Is there anyone on this site up to the challenge?

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class5
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Quote from srv63:
By the way, i keep hearing so much shit talk from you shills supposedly debunking so many truthers that i would expect you clowns have an answer for everything and in all these years of practicing disinformation, you should have all of the answers.


And there is the usual truther drivel.

So tell me this.Why have you shills not given me JUST ONE reasonable explanation on how that column at ground zero had its top section removed without cutting thru it, if not by explosives or the sheer weight of when the building came down? If they did use explosives at ground zero to separate them columns then by god show the proof so we can put it to rest. I demand an answer


They didn't need to cut the columns for a top down collapse, and you haven't proved the cut was made prior to the collapse.

End of canard. You have to prove your case or it's worthless.



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louie6332
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News flash!

I have just discovered something extremely important, the event that will take place this Sept 23, which is now only days away, is the nuking of Chicago (a Gucifer hacked Illuminati Email said would occur this year, 2015, and this is the date). Ground Zero will be at the Sear’s Building in Chicago. It will be a Government false flag operation blamed on Iran and intended to get the American people behind a planned war against Iran. But this war "will not go as they planned and will spin out of control and become the Third World War", which will be waged by Russia and her Marxist and Muslim allies from around the world against Israel, the Christian nations of the West, and against the Church. It will be the greatest persecution of the Church to date, short but very bloody, they will try to kill all Christians and will lay the Church in its grave.

During this war civilization will be virtually destroyed, and half of humanity, deep drenched in blood, will die (that would be over three and a half billion people, which would be totally unprecedented in the history of warfare), blood will wash away the stain of sin upon God's law. It will be so terrible that men will think it is the end of the world, though the end is not yet, so terrible that those still surviving will envy those who have died. Around and everywhere there will be agony and death, ruins in every country, suffering such as the world has never known.

During the last phase of this war, America will be invaded, overcome, and virtually depopulated, its cities destroyed, which will mark the end of the American Republic. A God fearing, morally strong America prospers and is invincible, but a morally corrupt America that is in revolt against God will perish.

This attack on Chicago, which may also involve other US cities at the same time, will be far greater than that of 9/11. 9/11 was also a false flag operation, and those with foreknowledge of it made a fortune in the stock market with that foreknowledge. With this foreknowledge of the coming 9/23 attack, you can do the same this week, but If you have friends or relatives in Chicago, warn them to get out of Chicago, and to get out NOW!

9/11 was a false flag attack designed to get Americans behind a planned war in the Middle East. And the Chicago attack coming this Wednesday will dwarf it in comparison, it will be the greatest false flag attack in history. I am telling you about this ahead of time so that you will know it is a false flag. And so you can save the lives of your lived one if they are there.

Louie

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naprinciple
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Louie, which will come first, The Chicago nuke, or the comet?

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class5
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Louie! We all thought you were taken by THEM™ in the Jade Helm false flag.

We're so glad you came back to provide us with yet another prediction that won't happen.



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longbobby
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Quote from louie6332:
News flash!



I have just discovered something extremely important, the event that will take place this Sept 23, which is now only days away, is the nuking of Chicago (a Gucifer hacked Illuminati Email said would occur this year, 2015, and this is the date). Ground Zero will be at the Sear’s Building in Chicago. It will be a Government false flag operation blamed on Iran and intended to get the American people behind a planned war against Iran. But this war "will not go as they planned and will spin out of control and become the Third World War", which will be waged by Russia and her Marxist and Muslim allies from around the world against Israel, the Christian nations of the West, and against the Church. It will be the greatest persecution of the Church to date, short but very bloody, they will try to kill all Christians and will lay the Church in its grave.

During this war civilization will be virtually destroyed, and half of humanity, deep drenched in blood, will die (that would be over three and a half billion people, which would be totally unprecedented in the history of warfare), blood will wash away the stain of sin upon God's law. It will be so terrible that men will think it is the end of the world, though the end is not yet, so terrible that those still surviving will envy those who have died. Around and everywhere there will be agony and death, ruins in every country, suffering such as the world has never known.

During the last phase of this war, America will be invaded, overcome, and virtually depopulated, its cities destroyed, which will mark the end of the American Republic. A God fearing, morally strong America prospers and is invincible, but a morally corrupt America that is in revolt against God will perish.

This attack on Chicago, which may also involve other US cities at the same time, will be far greater than that of 9/11. 9/11 was also a false flag operation, and those with foreknowledge of it made a fortune in the stock market with that foreknowledge. With this foreknowledge of the coming 9/23 attack, you can do the same this week, but If you have friends or relatives in Chicago, warn them to get out of Chicago, and to get out NOW!

9/11 was a false flag attack designed to get Americans behind a planned war in the Middle East. And the Chicago attack coming this Wednesday will dwarf it in comparison, it will be the greatest false flag attack in history. I am telling you about this ahead of time so that you will know it is a false flag. And so you can save the lives of your lived one if they are there.

Louie


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tragicparrot
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Quote from longbobby:


What some people will do to illuminati their big steaming pile of non-evidence.

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longbobby
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Anti-GENTILISM will rear it’s ugly head and spit venom and spittle.

Israel troll: Your self-pity works on none of us.

We know far far too much about you, shyster.

Go play your stinking Antisemitism Card on someone you can still manipulate.

Telling the TRUTH is NOT anti-semitic.

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longbobby
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Rebekah Roth was a flight attendant for 30 years who studied the four flights that were involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. She says the flight attendants who made cell-phone calls could only have done so if the planes were on the ground.

This is merely one element of an intriguing scenario, backed by compelling evidence at every point, that the flights were commandeered by newly installed remote-control systems designed to land planes safely in the event of a hijack – and that the flight crews likely were told that it was part of a military anti-terrorist exercise that they knew was underway on that day.

She introduces vital evidence that, until now, has been completely unknown to the 9/11 Truth movement, including the history and professional connections of many of those on board. From that, it is not difficult to imagine two categories of passengers: a small number on each flight who claimed to be in charge of the so-called military exercise and the rest as innocent and cooperating victims. The highly publicized phone calls from other passengers are shown to be either highly unlikely or totally impossible, which means they were fabricated.

You will not be prepared for the information about the so-called Israeli art students who had a small room on the 91st floor of the Twin Towers, who were later found to be explosive experts, and who were photographed in that room standing next to stacks of boxes containing fuses. Is any of this true? You be the judge. (You may want to download this to your computer or a DVD in case it becomes lost on the Internet.)

9/11 BOMBSHELL: METHODICAL DECEPTION -- Rebekah Roth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP95oSoOFk

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srv63
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Quote from class5:
They didn't need to cut the columns for a top down collapse, and you haven't proved the cut was made prior to the collapse.

End of canard. You have to prove your case or it's worthless.



So when do demolition experts cut the core columns at a 45 degree angle since you have all of the answers?

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srv63
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Quote from class5:
I challenge those who support 9/11 truth to a debate on the collapse of 7WTC. No ad homs; no straw men, or the usual evasive truther techniques-just a debate of the technical issues surrounding the collapse of 7WTC.

Is there anyone on this site up to the challenge?


You truly are an idiot if you want us to believe WTC7 came down like that gif you posted.It's hilarious

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longbobby
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The ZioShills aren't going to touch this with a 10 foot pole.

Israeli Art Students Inside WTC ~ The B-Thing


As hard as this might be to believe a group of foreign art students NOT U.S. Citizens managed to get temporary construction ID for the entire WTC complex.

While there,they removed a window and extended a wooden balcony while their "sponsor" was in the Millenium Hotel taking photos, he also hired a helicopter to document the event.
And only a retired flight attendant sees something fishy?





Notice the BB-18 number for those fuse holders?


What kind of ART project could these Israeli's be up to?


Once a copy of this pass is in hand, one can be reproduced, a simple project for an artist.

US arrests 200 young Israelis in spying investigation

UP to 200 young Israelis, some of them former members of military intelligence units, have been arrested in America in the past year, a leaked government report disclosed yesterday.

Some had used cover stories to gain access to sensitive government buildings and the homes of American officials. The report said the actions of some of the Israelis, most of whom had outstayed tourist visas, "may well be an organised intelligence-gathering activity".

None of the Israelis, about 140 of whom are believed to have been detained before the September 11 attacks, has been charged and most have been deported, according to the US government.

A spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry, Yaffa Ben-Ari, said it was "nonsense" that they had been spying on America. There has been no formal American allegation of spying by Israel although Tel Aviv has launched espionage operations against its principal ally in the past.

The leaked report was compiled by the Drug Enforcement Administration after some of its offices were allegedly targeted by Israelis posing as art students. "That these people are now travelling in the US selling art seems not to fit their background," the DEA report said.

On Oct 31, the FBI and Immigration and Naturalisation Service officers arrested about 60 young Israelis in San Diego, Kansas City, Cleveland, Houston and St Louis. All had been selling toys at kiosks in shopping centres across America and the FBI is reported to have been investigating this as a front operation for espionage activities.

Before that date, about 140 young Israelis had been detained, some for long periods, by the FBI and other federal agencies.

There is no evidence linking these arrests to the September 11 attacks although some intelligence commentators have pointed to allegations that Israel may have been shadowing Arab militants in America without sharing its knowledge with Washington.

The DEA report said most of the students questioned by American investigators acknowledged having served in units of the Israeli armed forces specialising in military intelligence, electronic signals interception or explosive ordnance.

It added that one person questioned was the son of an Israeli general, another had served as the bodyguard to the head of the Israeli Army and a third served in a Patriot missile unit.

Young Israelis are required to serve in the military and there is a long tradition that after completing their national service they take advantage of their freedom to go out and see the world.

In 1984, Jonathan Pollard, a US naval intelligence officer, was sentenced to life in prison for spying for Israel.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1387069/US-arrests-200-young-Israelis-in-spying-investigation.html

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class5
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Quote from srv63:
So when do demolition experts cut the core columns at a 45 degree angle since you have all of the answers?


We do not know the circumstances behind the cut. Seeing as you have so much invested in this dumbass canard, perhaps you can tell me why they needed to cut the columns at ground level for a top down collapse?



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longbobby
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Or, this.

Rebekah Roth was a flight attendant for 30 years who studied the four flights that were involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. She says the flight attendants who made cell-phone calls could only have done so if the planes were on the ground.

This is merely one element of an intriguing scenario, backed by compelling evidence at every point, that the flights were commandeered by newly installed remote-control systems designed to land planes safely in the event of a hijack – and that the flight crews likely were told that it was part of a military anti-terrorist exercise that they knew was underway on that day.

She introduces vital evidence that, until now, has been completely unknown to the 9/11 Truth movement, including the history and professional connections of many of those on board. From that, it is not difficult to imagine two categories of passengers: a small number on each flight who claimed to be in charge of the so-called military exercise and the rest as innocent and cooperating victims. The highly publicized phone calls from other passengers are shown to be either highly unlikely or totally impossible, which means they were fabricated.

You will not be prepared for the information about the so-called Israeli art students who had a small room on the 91st floor of the Twin Towers, who were later found to be explosive experts, and who were photographed in that room standing next to stacks of boxes containing fuses. Is any of this true? You be the judge. (You may want to download this to your computer or a DVD in case it becomes lost on the Internet.)

9/11 BOMBSHELL: METHODICAL DECEPTION -- Rebekah Roth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP95oSoOFk

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class5
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Quote from srv63:
You truly are an idiot if you want us to believe WTC7 came down like that gif you posted.It's hilarious


How would you know. You haven't even read the reports. I see you cannot counter it, and you just ridicule it without evidence.

Any d*ckhead can do that.



So, are you up to the challenge, or will you just carry on with your usual d*ckhead tactics?



Get back to me when you've read the NIST report, for only then will you be armed enough to argue the point. As it stands you have no idea.





[Edited 9/20/2015 10:20:22 PM ]

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class5
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Quote from srv63:
You truly are an idiot if you want us to believe WTC7 came down like that gif you posted.It's hilarious


So, can you dispute the facts, or will you just carry on like a spoiled brat?


a). Chandler got the collapse time wrong. He stated six seconds but that only measured the collapse of the curtain wall. True.

b). The collapse took 17.5 seconds. True

c). The building did not fall at free fall as you've claimed. Debunked

d). The building actually exceeded free fall for 2.25 seconds but 9/11 truth aren't equipped to comprehend that. True.

f). The gif is correct according to the report you haven't read. True.

g). The eastern penthouse collapsed well before the curtain wall. True.


You cannot counter it, so the conclusion that can be reached from your response is simply, 'you don't have a f**king clue'.





[Edited 9/20/2015 10:32:49 PM ]

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srv63
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Quote from class5:
So, can you dispute the facts, or will you just carry on like a spoiled brat?


a). Chandler got the collapse time wrong. He stated six seconds but that only measured the collapse of the curtain wall. True.

b). The collapse took 17.5 seconds. True

c). The building did not fall at free fall as you've claimed. Debunked

d). The building actually exceeded free fall for 2.25 seconds but 9/11 truth aren't equipped to comprehend that. True.

f). The gif is correct according to the report you haven't read. True.

g). The eastern penthouse collapsed well before the curtain wall. True.


You cannot counter it, so the conclusion that can be reached from your response is simply, 'you don't have a f**king clue'.



So when you shills encounter something that you CANNOT debunk, you just try changing the subject. If you were so sure of yourselves, you would put me to shame and debunk me on the smoking gun, the core columns to WTC1 and WTC2 being cut at a 45 degree angle.Come on shill, how hard can it be for you to muster PROOF that any cleanup crews would cut massive core columns at a 45 degree angle, therefore endangering all of their lives? Supposedly, according to some dim-wit in one of your shills-in-training websites, a building would not have the core columns cut at ground level by the demolition crews.Lets see proof to back up that statement because guess what, i have PROOF contradicting that bullshit statement and can't wait to bury your a** with it.Come on now, wheres your proof shill? Your doing a shitty job earning your paycheck here

Forget building 7, you clowns have already been debunked on that one thanks to a TRUE PATRIOT, Barry Jennings.Evidence from an EYEWITNESS greatly supersedes any mumbo jumbo spewed from bought off government stooges.Accept it and move on.

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class5
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Quote from srv63:
So when you shills encounter something that you CANNOT debunk, you just try changing the subject.


Who is the shill? You are making a claim, where's your proof? If you don't supply proof, we can accept that you are lying. Who changed the subject? I'm only responding to stupid shit some redneck d*ckhead posts.


If you were so sure of yourselves, you would put me to shame and debunk me on the smoking gun, the core columns to WTC1 and WTC2 being cut at a 45 degree angle.Come on shill, how hard can it be for you to muster PROOF that any cleanup crews would cut massive core columns at a 45 degree angle, therefore endangering all of their lives?



Really? Again? *SIGH* *shakes head*

a). You have to prove the cut wasn't made by the clean up crews.

b). The 'endangering lives' claim has no foundation, as the circumstances are unknown.


Supposedly, according to some dim-wit in one of your shills-in-training websites, a building would not have the core columns cut at ground level by the demolition crews.Lets see proof to back up that statement because guess what, i have PROOF contradicting that bullshit statement and can't wait to bury your a** with it.Come on now, wheres your proof shill? Your doing a shitty job earning your paycheck here


It has nothing to do with who said it. It's just logic. Logic beyond your grasp. Again for the brain dead, why cut the columns at ground level for a top down collapse? I don't expect an answer anymore-truthers don't 'do' questions.

Forget building 7, you clowns have already been debunked on that one thanks to a TRUE PATRIOT, Barry Jennings.Evidence from an EYEWITNESS greatly supersedes any mumbo jumbo spewed from bought off government stooges.Accept it and move on.



Forget 7WTC? Who debunked it? Not you, nor nappy, not 57. I see now, you're making it up! You're shifting the goal posts because YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR DEPTH. Jennings' testimony is in conflict with that of every other witness, but you choose to make it valid merely because it supports your confirmation bias. The real world doesn't work like that.



Try addressing a claim, or supporting your own. That's how this is done. All you do is bleat stupid shit and bray like an ass.







[Edited 9/20/2015 11:31:38 PM ]

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class5
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It is telling SRV that you couldn't address my points, but you never do.




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longbobby
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Carl Cameron's BANNED 911 Fox News Report linking Israelis to 911 RESCUED!

Pakalert Press managed to get this up to Youtube. It was RAPIDLY deleted. However, Keepvid kept the 3gp re-encodes up on the server for a period of time after it was deleted from Youtube. I don't have enough bandwidth to serve the video because it is huge, but I can serve an MP3 copy of the soundtrack, which SAYS IT ALL anyway, CLICK HERE to download from server 1 (preferred) .... http://www.reactorbreach.com/foxnewsisraelibust.mp3

Because that server has more bandwidth available, and if it does not come in from that server, Click here to download from Iceland.

http://82.221.129.208/foxnewsisraelibust.mp3

THIS IS A MUST LISTEN, IT TOTALLY BLOWS ISRAEL OUT OF THE WATER and after seeing this I can't believe Fox News ever got this published.

This series by Carl Cameron,which Fox News released in 2001 was supposed to have 12 parts. Only 4 parts ever got broadcast, and all 4 are in this ONE MP3. Even these 4 parts should be enough to wake your sleeping zombie sheep, they prove Israel is raping the U.S. and was heavily involved in 911 And it all went out on FOX NEWS, IT IS ALL HERE, ARCHIVE AND POST!!!

Key points:

1. After 911, Israeli companies tipped off perpetrators of 911 to when the FBI, CIA an other American intelligence was onto them, so they could immediately change their identities and prevent the investigations from proceeding. Additionally, once the investigations started, the perpetrators were given the ability to wire tap all of the investigator's phones and other communications via Israeli owned companies and spy infrastructure, to totally circumvent capture. If this does not by itself prove Israel did 911, I do not know what possibly could.

2. Israeli companies tip off Israeli drug dealers to when American investigation efforts have pinned them down, and like the perpetrators of 911, the Israelis then provide even drug dealers with wire taps on the investigators in pursuit of them, to help them completely evade capture.

This Fox News report is SO DAMNING I wonder if Carl Cameron is even alive. This series was shut down 8 out of 12 segments early, because it NAILED THE TRUTH. Much can be extrapolated from even these 4 segments, they prove Israel is America's ENEMY NUMBER ONE, ...

ARCHIVE AND POST!

http://82.221.129.208/af8index.html

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
At the idiot named higgy,

I asked you a question of "Show me ANYWHERE on the web where a steel column 52 inches wide by 22 inches thick and constructed of 6 inch thick steel plate has EVER given way due to ANY fire, even under a load." and as usual you run from it because not one time in history has a fire caused a HUGE STEEL COLUMN to ever weaken but yet you f**kin morons expect us to believe that wimpy assed fires weakened the main core columns in ALL THREE buildings and caused them to collapse.I'm no engineer but by god i have enough common sense to know damn well your full of shit as well as that emergency shit paper you call the nist report.Your a bought off wh*re and can go screw yourself expecting us to buy into your lies and deception


Tell you what; that is virtually an impossible task as to do that, one would have to know the dimensions of each and every column in each and every building that has not collapsed or collapsed through fire since the beginning of time and that is impossible.

YOU prove to me that any column of those dimensions hasn't ever given way, you prove that to me.

You still haven't informed me as to where those dimensions came from. Why are they so important srv?

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
I think all of the Windsor Tower was still standing after its inferno. Only section to collapse were VERY THIN WALLED STEEL at some of the upper floors. Tell us the thickness of them thin beams o'h wise one, or are you ashamed.I also notice that your side stepping the fact that the lower sections of the building which were ALSO MADE OF STEEL,buckled and warped but NEVER COLLAPSED.Explain it genius why WTC7 did not just buckle and twist but, instead collapsed.

Any moron knows that the top of any building is where the lighter gauge steel will be used being that its not supporting much weight, and that the load bearing heavy gauge metal will ALWAYS be at the bottom of any building.Looks like you fail again


They never collapsed you dumb twat because the THICK concrete floor at the 20th floor stopped the further collapse! Don't you ever read?

"Structural failure happened with the collapse of the steel perimeter columns which resulted with the floor slabs collapsing as the edge support was taken away. The massive concrete transfer slab at the 20th floor prevented further progressive failure. "

The dimensions of the columns above floor 20? NO IDEA, but I hardly think they are very thinned walled steel columns do you?

Your next point of lighter gauge steel is always used at the top of every building. Care to prove this point and you can start with the Towers or WTC7 if you wish.

Will be waiting.

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:


Forget building 7, you clowns have already been debunked on that one thanks to a TRUE PATRIOT, Barry Jennings.Evidence from an EYEWITNESS greatly supersedes any mumbo jumbo spewed from bought off government stooges.Accept it and move on.


What about evidence from your other Patriots?

The ones where they debunk your hero's claims of his time frame, you know those people, they are AGAINST the NIST report and certainly not government stooges. They are the ones that PROVED BEYOND DOUBT that the timing in the NIST report was incorrect.

Sadly, for you, they also prove that your hero was wrong or confused.

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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
I think all of the Windsor Tower was still standing after its inferno. Only section to collapse were VERY THIN WALLED STEEL at some of the upper floors. Tell us the thickness of them thin beams o'h wise one, or are you ashamed.I also notice that your side stepping the fact that the lower sections of the building which were ALSO MADE OF STEEL,buckled and warped but NEVER COLLAPSED.Explain it genius why WTC7 did not just buckle and twist but, instead collapsed.

Any moron knows that the top of any building is where the lighter gauge steel will be used being that its not supporting much weight, and that the load bearing heavy gauge metal will ALWAYS be at the bottom of any building.Looks like you fail again


Oh dear srv, it looks as if I am about to debunk you once again.

I couldn't sleep so I decided to do some research and guess what?

The steel beams ALL OF THEM were 360mm thick, that is just over 2 feet.

"The Windsor Tower or Torre Windsor (officially known as Edificio Windsor) was a 32-storey concrete building with a reinforced concrete central core. A typical floor was two-way spanning 280mm deep waffle slab supported by the concrete core, internal RC columns with 360mm deep steel I-beams and steel perimeter columns. Originally, the perimeter columns and internal steel beams were left unprotected in accordance with the Spanish building code at the time of construction"

The reason why only the top floors collapsed is very simple, they weren't fire proofed as were the ones below. Refurb work was being undertaken to fireproof all the steel columns.

"The only part of the building to collapse was the network of steel perimeter columns supporting the slab on the upper floors.

The building was in the process of refurbishment and fireproofing to modern standards when the fire occurred; some fireproofing was being provided on the steel perimeter columns. The steel columns above the 17th floor suffered complete collapse, partially coming to rest on the upper technical floor. "


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57channels
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Long

1. After 911, Israeli companies tipped off perpetrators of 911 to when the FBI, CIA an other American intelligence was onto them, so they could immediately change their identities and prevent the investigations from proceeding. Additionally, once the investigations started, the perpetrators were given the ability to wire tap all of the investigator's phones and other communications via Israeli owned companies and spy infrastructure, to totally circumvent capture. If this does not by itself prove Israel did 911, I do not know what possibly could.

2. Israeli companies tip off Israeli drug dealers to when American investigation efforts have pinned them down, and like the perpetrators of 911, the Israelis then provide even drug dealers with wire taps on the investigators in pursuit of them, to help them completely evade capture.

This Fox News report is SO DAMNING I wonder if Carl Cameron is even alive. This series was shut down 8 out of 12 segments early, because it NAILED THE TRUTH. Much can be extrapolated from even these 4 segments, they prove Israel is America's ENEMY NUMBER ONE, ...

ARCHIVE AND POST!

http://82.221.129.208/af8index.html
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Israel is the American peoples #1 enemy. The thinking people of America can see how this tiny little country owns America's politicians, courts, and executive branch...along with Big Brother loud speaker.....the MSM.

Their are little guys in the FBI and CIA that are just trying to do their jobs [ like all govt. agencies ] but the big boys or top dawgs in many govt. agencies are in Israel's hip pocket. Amazing!!!!

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tragicparrot
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Quote from 57channels:
Israel is the American peoples #1 enemy. The thinking people of America can see how this tiny little country owns America's politicians, courts, and executive branch...along with Big Brother loud speaker.....the MSM.

Their are little guys in the FBI and CIA that are just trying to do their jobs [ like all govt. agencies ] but the big boys or top dawgs in many govt. agencies are in Israel's hip pocket. Amazing!!!!


So if according to you Israel owns American politicians, our courts, the executive branch (i'm assuming at least two out of three?), and whomever big brother loudspeaker might be, what part of [ like all govt. agencies ] might you be referring to where its "little guys" are just trying to do their job?

And really, how about you start providing evidence to help back up your ridiculous theories for a change. Honestly, if your that ignorant to believe a missile or secret orb hit the WTC's or the Pentagon, or that the impacts were somehow faked utilizing holograms and/or controlled demolition, then be my guest. But do realize, you are the one who carries the burden of proof here. Not just those who disagree with you.

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juma2112
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Srv, and 57 are incapable of answering even the most basic questions about their RIDICULOUS theories.

How has Israel benefited from 9/11?

If explosives brought down the buildings, why the elaborate ruse?

Why not detonate the "planted" explosives, and blame terrorists? That seems far easier than holograms, missiles, magic orbs etc.

If the plan was to justify war with Iraq (for Israel) why go into Afghanistan first?




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class5
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Quote from juma2112:
Srv, and 57 are incapable of answering even the most basic questions about their RIDICULOUS theories.


It's a truther thing. The truther demands and bullies to have their questions answered, but they completely ignore any question posed to them.

We are dealing with the bottom of the barrel, and their manners are just as crude.

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srv63
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Quote from higgy51:
Tell you what; that is virtually an impossible task as to do that, one would have to know the dimensions of each and every column in each and every building that has not collapsed or collapsed through fire since the beginning of time and that is impossible.

So just because a task might require a little time and research, you claim it virtually impossible so you give up. And no, you wouldn't need to know the dimensions of the core support columns to every building "since the beginning of time". Steel buildings have not been around that long.

YOU prove to me that any column of those dimensions hasn't ever given way, you prove that to me.

You still haven't informed me as to where those dimensions came from. Why are they so important srv?


You mean to tell me that this whole time of you being a shill, that you didn't know the massive size of the columns supporting each of the twin towers? How are you able to defend your bullshit nist report and that bullshit 9/11 commissions reports, without knowing simple FACTS about the construction of the towers? You damn sure don't deserve full shill pay, for the simple fact of being too damn lazy to research the facts on the subject of what it is your paid to defend.

As for the second part of your question,"Why are they(the dimensions of each core column) so important srv?, i must shake my head at such a ridiculous question. You honestly don't believe the strength and thickness of the main columns supporting the twin towers is of any importance, especially when we are trying to be fooled into believing that an aluminum plane severed or even bent the core columns and immediately afterwards standard office fires weakened these columns to the point of collapsing the building? And you have the gall to ask such a ridiculous question of " Why are they so important srv?"

As for your statement of "You still haven't informed me as to where those dimensions came from." , i HAVE the blueprints to BOTH trade towers PROVING the dimensions of EVERYTHING. Would you like to dispute it?

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funwithmusic
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Quote from juma2112:
Srv, and 57 are incapable of answering even the most basic questions about their RIDICULOUS theories.
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JUMA
How has Israel benefited from 9/11?

MUSIC:
ERETZ ISRAEL BENEFIT..AND YOU KNOW IT...that war for for ERETZ ISRAEL..GENOCIDE..AND THE STEALING AWAY THE ANCIENT LANDS OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE....and then SENDING THEM TO WHITE NATIONS...to also destroy them in the process

sort of like hitting two birds with one stone......

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JUMA
If explosives brought down the buildings, why the elaborate ruse?


MUSIC:
ORDER OUT OF CHAOS....Mossad motto..MODUS OPERANDUS OF THE ZIONIST JEWS..LOTS AND LOTS OF DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA!!!

They were playing with their new toys..to see if they could hoodwink us..as they have many times before.

WHERE DID THE BUILDINGS GO? HOW DOES CONCRETE TURN TO DUST?

HOW DO STEEL COLUMNS JUST TURN TO DUST?????


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JUMA
Why not detonate the "planted" explosives, and blame terrorists? That seems far easier than holograms, missiles, magic orbs etc.

MUSIC:
Because it would BE IMPOSSIBLE for Muslims Arabs to wire up those buildings for destruction..ENTIRE FLOORS HAD TO BE OFF LIMITS..Only the Isra-hellis could and did accomplish this task..How would a Arab get this kind of clearance in these Jewish owned buildings..

but quite easy for Isra-hellies. for destruction..

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JUMA
If the plan was to justify war with Iraq (for Israel) why go into Afghanistan first?

MUSIC
Heroin..Marijuana....pretend to look for Bin Laden..while troops guarded drug fields..for CIA..a British NGO in America..The Osama Bin Laden deception..made it possible to keep troops in Afgan..with our blessings....OSAMA BIN LADEN DIED DEC 2001..

THE 'SEARCH FOR BIN LADEN" was just another HOLYHOAX done to Americans by the same bastards that CREATED THE HOLYHOAX of Germany....MADE UP LIES..FABRICATIONS...KOL NIDRE..IN ORDER TO CIRCUMVENT THE NON JEWS..

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ITS OBVIOUS..THE controlled gov..controlled by PRIVATELY OWNED NGOS..THE PRIVATIZATION OF THE US GOV......the controlled media.. IS NOTHING BUT A DECEPTION MILL...THERE IS NO TRUTH THERE ANYMORE


OUR GOV...IS SICK..IT HAS CANCER...AND ITS UP TO US..TO SURGICALLY CUT IT OUT..

PANDORAS BOX IS OPEN..NEVER TO BE SHUT AGAIN.

THEY ARE EXPOSED..

THE ADL CANT HELP THEM..

THE ACLU CANT HELP THEM....

WHAT WILL THEY EVER DO?


They know they are about to reap our wrath....Many are all of a sudden coming out of the closet..and exposing the Zionists...making all kinds of noise...IN ORDER TO SAVE THEMSELVES??

They know..the end is near..and the American people are more than ready to kick some Kosher a** out of our gov.

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AMERICA FIRST
AMERICA FIRST
AMERICA FIRST
TO HELL WITH ISRA-HELL.



REBEKA ROTH (obviously a good American Jewess) has an interesting view point..and her view..agrees with us/..THIS GAL PUT IN SOME AMAZING INVESTIGATIVE WORK..EXPOSING MANY THINGS...

CHECK IT OUT..CHECK OUT HER EVIDENCE..AND FACTS..instead of all the GOVERNMENT BULLSHIT YOU SLURP UP EVERY DAY IN THE HOG TROUGH OF CONTROLLED MEDIA....

TIME TO BURP...and let in some NEW FOOD and information..THEN decide what the truth is...stop being a sheeple people..

(((SEE..I DONT HATE JEWS...REBEKA IS A JEWESS..AND WERE TEAM MATES! .I LOVE JEWS WHO WORK ALONG SIDE OF ME.AND DEFEND OUR COUNTRY TOGETHER...I JUST LOVE ALL LOYAL AMERICANS...

.I bet she learned about the HOLYHOAX..and that JEWS WILL KILL OTHER JEWS..FOR FOREIGN POLICY..SHES NOT INTO BEING USED FOR ZIONIST AGENDAS BY BECOMING CANNON FODDER....USED FOR FEARMONGERING JEWS TO MOVE TO "ERETZ ISRA-HELL"...Perhaps they know the scriptures that tell us JERUSALEM..WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD..

She knows her fight is not with the Americans..but her own people..the Talmudic Kabbalaist Supremacist Zionist Jews.


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THIS WAS VERY INTERESTING..PLEASE WATCH this video TAKE JUST 8 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME...I think you will find this quite interesting.She cuts no slack..SHE NAMES NAMES...RELIGION...NATIONS...EVERYTHING




THIS WILL SHOCK YOU TO YOUR CORE: 9/11 From Cheney to Mossad (spare 8 min and watch this)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg7Qt4bV0B8&spfreload=1



==================================================================
HERE IS HER EXTENDED VERSION..VERY GOOD ..1 HOUR 14 MIN..




9/11 BOMBSHELL: METHODICAL DECEPTION -- Rebekah Roth 1 HOUR 14 MIN..GOOD STUFF!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP95oSoOFk


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THIS GAL DID SOME INCREDIBLE detailed DETECTIVE WORK..I WAS IMPRESSED..but not so sure I agree with all..but she makes a good case for her point of view.

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funwithmusic
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Quote from srv63:
You mean to tell me that this whole time of you being a shill, that you didn't know the massive size of the columns supporting each of the twin towers? How are you able to defend your bullshit nist report and that bullshit 9/11 commissions reports, without knowing simple FACTS about the construction of the towers? You damn sure don't deserve full shill pay, for the simple fact of being too damn lazy to research the facts on the subject of what it is your paid to defend.

As for the second part of your question,"Why are they(the dimensions of each core column) so important srv?, i must shake my head at such a ridiculous question. You honestly don't believe the strength and thickness of the main columns supporting the twin towers is of any importance, especially when we are trying to be fooled into believing that an aluminum plane severed or even bent the core columns and immediately afterwards standard office fires weakened these columns to the point of collapsing the building? And you have the gall to ask such a ridiculous question of " Why are they so important srv?"

As for your statement of "You still haven't informed me as to where those dimensions came from." , i HAVE the blueprints to BOTH trade towers PROVING the dimensions of EVERYTHING. Would you like to dispute it?



EXCELLENT POINT !!!!!




He speaks out his poop chute..me thinkst..

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srv63
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Quote from higgy51:
They never collapsed you dumb twat because the THICK concrete floor at the 20th floor stopped the further collapse! Don't you ever read?

"Structural failure happened with the collapse of the steel perimeter columns which resulted with the floor slabs collapsing as the edge support was taken away. The massive concrete transfer slab at the 20th floor prevented further progressive failure. "

The dimensions of the columns above floor 20? NO IDEA, but I hardly think they are very thinned walled steel columns do you?

So your too lazy to find the blueprints for the windsor building? Typical shill

Your next point of lighter gauge steel is always used at the top of every building. Care to prove this point and you can start with the Towers or WTC7 if you wish.

I know this as FACT because of spending 2 years of my life dismantling steel buildings/structures. Are you sure you would like to see my PROOF, and using the twin towers and building 7 as the example? Are you sure that egg on your face can withstand another layer?

Will be waiting.


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srv63
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Quote from funwithmusic:
EXCELLENT POINT !!!!!




He speaks out his poop chute..me thinkst..


Yep, typical shill

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longbobby
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Quote from tragicparrot:
So if according to you Israel owns American politicians, our courts, the executive branch (i'm assuming at least two out of three?), and whomever big brother loudspeaker might be, what part of [ like all govt. agencies ] might you be referring to where its "little guys" are just trying to do their job?

And really, how about you start providing evidence to help back up your ridiculous theories for a change. Honestly, if your that ignorant to believe a missile or secret orb hit the WTC's or the Pentagon, or that the impacts were somehow faked utilizing holograms and/or controlled demolition, then be my guest. But do realize, you are the one who carries the burden of proof here. Not just those who disagree with you.
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class5
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Quote from srv63:
Yep, typical shill


No both you and funwithmeth failed to understand that he is asking for evidence. Your accusation of shill has no foundation in logic, therefore it is baseless.

YOU might have the blueprints, but saying so means absolutely nothing. Support your claim-that is all anyone asks for.

So, if you could both refrain from such childishness, perhaps the discussion might progress. But progess is not your objective, is it?



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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
so your too lazy to find the blueprints for the windsor building? Typical shill



I know this as FACT because of spending 2 years of my life dismantling steel buildings/structures. Are you sure you would like to see my PROOF, and using the twin towers and building 7 as the example? Are you sure that egg on your face can withstand another layer?

Will be waiting.


I asked you to PROVE "Your next point of lighter gauge steel is always used at the top of every building. Care to prove this point and you can start with the Towers or WTC7 if you wish." and as you state that you have the blueprints, you should be easily able to prove it, wouldn't you?

I don't need to find the blueprints to the MWT, I found the dimensions and notice you skipped that one by

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higgy51
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Quote from higgy51:
Oh dear srv, it looks as if I am about to debunk you once again.

I couldn't sleep so I decided to do some research and guess what?

The steel beams ALL OF THEM were 360mm thick, that is just over 2 feet.


Oh dear SRV, conveniently slipped this one out of your mind didn't you?

No comments on you being debunked about this comment of yours, which was rather stupid don't you think?

Quote from srv63:
I think all of the Windsor Tower was still standing after its inferno. Only section to collapse were VERY THIN WALLED STEEL at some of the upper floors. Tell us the thickness of them thin beams o'h wise one, or are you ashamed.


Yes, debunked once again and you do your normal, your MO, you ignore in the hope it will go away, and it will srv, it will. It will be added to the long growing list of times you have been debunked purely through either lack of knowledge, lack of research skills and mere guesswork and speculation without facts to back it up.

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class5
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Quote from srv63:

You honestly don't believe the strength and thickness of the main columns supporting the twin towers is of any importance, especially when we are trying to be fooled into believing that an aluminum plane severed or even bent the core columns and immediately afterwards standard office fires weakened these columns to the point of collapsing the building?


Wow, you DON'T understand the collapse initiation by that statement, and you DON'T understand the construction of the building.





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higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
know this as FACT because of spending 2 years of my life dismantling steel buildings/structures. Are you sure you would like to see my PROOF, and using the twin towers and building 7 as the example? Are you sure that egg on your face can withstand another layer?


In one word...


YES, please do show your proof.

Will be waiting.

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class5
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Quote from higgy51:
In one word...


YES, please do show your proof.

Will be waiting.


....and waiting....and waiting....

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higgy51
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Quote from class5:
....and waiting....and waiting....


Have no fear, he will produce them, this time...they are readily available on the internet.

My interest is in this "lighter grade steel" comment of his. That is the proof.

You see Class, he has laid a claim about the WTC7 collapsing where the MWT didn't collapse, but he missed the very valid point of the very thick concrete floor at floor 20 prevented such a collapse and he is hinging all of this on the strength/dimensions of the outer steel columns...as can be seen below.

Now, we all know that WTC7 didn't have this super strength floor halfway up, but the main point is that the floors above DID collapse purely due to the heat (AND NOTHING ELSE, JUST THE HEAT) from the fire that weakened the steel causing it to buckle and bend and then lose its strength. Had Floor 20 not been the way it was, the whole MWT would have come crashing down...due to the immense weight of 9 or so floors above collapsing.

Now, if his proof shows that the upper steel columns are weaker than the ones below, then it will be obvious that they will weaken before the stronger columns and that would, naturally, produce a heavy load to come down on the floors/steel columns below and cause a collapse (WTC7 only s the Towers had a f**king big plane hit them with some force which obviously causes damage to the structure!)

Ergo, by demanding he shows the proof, it will only bite his a** and will prove that the collapse would have been due to 'weaker steel' columns on the upper floors.


Quote from srv63:
I think all of the Windsor Tower was still standing after its inferno. Only section to collapse were VERY THIN WALLED STEEL at some of the upper floors. Tell us the thickness of them thin beams o'h wise one, or are you ashamed.I also notice that your side stepping the fact that the lower sections of the building which were ALSO MADE OF STEEL,buckled and warped but NEVER COLLAPSED. LOVED THIS COMMENT OF HIS, HE WAS SMILING I BET WHEN HE THOUGHT HE HAD ME, BUT THE STUPID MAN DIDN'T READ MY POST DID HE? HE MISSED THE FACT OF THE 20TH FLOOR BEING ULTRA STRONG, SUCH A FOOL)Explain it genius why WTC7 did not just buckle and twist but, instead collapsed.

Any moron knows that the top of any building is where the lighter gauge steel will be used being that its not supporting much weight, and that the load bearing heavy gauge metal will ALWAYS be at the bottom of any building.Looks like you fail again


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57channels
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Thye 3 kiddies [ paid stoolies ]sock puppets can spin anything at all.........if they are paid enough money to spin whatever conflicts with the official govt. narrative.

Okay........Lets be specific here on the spin if you 3 kiddies would be so kind. Edna Cintron was outside standing on a beam. She was actually waving. Why wasn't her clothes on fire? How could she stand on that beam, that steel beam that should have been hotter than all heck. This was the site of the impact where the alleged plane hit......although I am sure there was no plane and it was all blown out from the sindie pre-set charges to give the wylie coyote image of a plane.

We are told the beams or support structures were weakened by the fire and they buckled or bent or melted to cause the collapse of the 2 big towers. That is the feds excuse why the towers are no more...so how could a woman stand on that super hot beam????? WE call saw the fire and smoke so surely that beam should have been very hot and there were others besides her that were nearby waiting to be rescued. Lets hear the spin...and be precise kids

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naprinciple
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Quote from 57channels:
Thye 3 kiddies [ paid stoolies ]sock puppets can spin anything at all.........if they are paid enough money to spin whatever conflicts with the official govt. narrative.

Okay........Lets be specific here on the spin if you 3 kiddies would be so kind. Edna Cintron was outside standing on a beam. She was actually waving. Why wasn't her clothes on fire? How could she stand on that beam, that steel beam that should have been hotter than all heck. This was the site of the impact where the alleged plane hit......although I am sure there was no plane and it was all blown out from the sindie pre-set charges to give the wylie coyote image of a plane.

We are told the beams or support structures were weakened by the fire and they buckled or bent or melted to cause the collapse of the 2 big towers. That is the feds excuse why the towers are no more...so how could a woman stand on that super hot beam????? WE call saw the fire and smoke so surely that beam should have been very hot and there were others besides her that were nearby waiting to be rescued. Lets hear the spin...and be precise kids





Here in Bizarro world, theories are allowed to overrule real world observations

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57channels
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Here in Bizarro world, theories are allowed to overrule real world observations
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The real world???? The real world where a Green Bay Packer defender intercepted a pass .......and instead of easily running into the end zone....slid down on the ground and no one touched him and he had 2 blockers in front of him???

That real world where 99% of Green Bay Packer fans didnt care at all or just let it go in one eye and part of the brain and out the other........and are now back in full force filling up that mafiosi Lambeau field instead of standing up and saying " Enough is enough " I no longer am a fan of this crooked crap.

Same with politics and 9-11. You either stand up and say enough is enough or you stick your head in the sand and pretend it didn't happen OR really don't care that it happened, and are too lazy or indifferent to give a shit that our own govt. murdered those totally innocent people.

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No both you and funwithmeth failed to understand that he is asking for evidence. Your accusation of shill has no foundation in logic, therefore it is baseless.

YOU might have the blueprints, but saying so means absolutely nothing. Support your claim-that is all anyone asks for.

So, if you could both refrain from such childishness, perhaps the discussion might progress. But progess is not your objective, is it?



There is no discussing shit with a shill. We could have the perpetrators of 9/11 with their heads on a stick and confessing everything and you dumb assets shills would still be trying to sell us on your shit paper the mist report

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WHERE DID THE BUILDINGS GO?

http://drjudywood.com/wtc/videos.html



SPLAIN THIS SAYANIM...HOW DID THIS BEAM..TURN TO DUST RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES?????


WHERE DID THE BUILDINGS GO?

HOW DID ISRAEL PROFIT FROM THE WAR ON IRAQ...?

ERETZ ISRAEL


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juma2112
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WHERE DID THE BUILDINGS GO?

http://drjudywood.com/wtc/videos.html





HOW DID ISRAEL PROFIT FROM THE WAR ON IRAQ...?


Thats what I've been asking fun.

No one will answer.


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srv63
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Quote from funwithmusic:


WHERE DID THE BUILDINGS GO?

http://drjudywood.com/wtc/videos.html



SPLAIN THIS SAYANIM...HOW DID THIS BEAM..TURN TO DUST RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES?????


WHERE DID THE BUILDINGS GO?

HOW DID ISRAEL PROFIT FROM THE WAR ON IRAQ...?

ERETZ ISRAEL


It is said that the real reason for invading Iraq was to kick Sadaam Husseins a** because when child molester Georgy Bush Sr's term was almost up, he went to Iraq and flexed his muscle to Sadaam Hussein but that time, Sadaam was not bowing down to that wimpy assed bush sr. and ended up b*tch slapping molester bush sr. and forced him to get the hell out of Iraq.Child molester Bush Sr was determined to get even with Hussein so notice that not even a year after retard Bush w stole the presidency by stealing votes in Florida,we find ourselves at war in Iraq? How many of the supposed hijackers were from Iraq? Answer: NONE How many weapons of mass destruction did the Iraqi's have that our corrupt government swore they had? Answer: NONE

As far as the question of "how did the jews benefit from us invading Iraq", that is a very complex question but you can surely bet they benefited big time, just like scumbag cheney and wimpy assed bush sr. Key is to follow the money on the owners that stood to profit from that major pipeline going from north to the south in the middle east.

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Quote from srv63:
There is no discussing shit with a shill. We could have the perpetrators of 9/11 with their heads on a stick and confessing everything and you dumb assets shills would still be trying to sell us on your shit paper the mist report


And that just confirms your status as a moron. Congratulations!

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class5
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Quote from funwithmusic:


SPLAIN THIS SAYANIM...HOW DID THIS BEAM..TURN TO DUST RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES?????


It didn't.

Watch the video and you will see it collapse like the rest of the building.

https://youtu.be/7W0-W582fNQ

To produce stills as Judy Woods did is misleading to the viewer. The core columns simply fell and weren't 'turned to dust'. See about the 55 second mark and it will become clear.

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57channels
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Fun

SPLAIN THIS SAYANIM...HOW DID THIS BEAM..TURN TO DUST RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES?????
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Unless those photos were somehow made out in Hollywood.....some new kind of energy weapon had to have been used to turn that spire completely to dust......like 95% of the rest of the 2 big towers. We will never know for sure because the perps have all the secrets, weapons, media, and politicians in their pockets. Oh......and the courts too??

I wonder why there was no real investigation into the biggest terror attack in the USA....probly the same reason there was no real investigation into Pearl Harbor or FDR would have been hung. Same with JFK assassination or LBJ would have been hung along with Hoover and the piece of shit who headed the CIA and was on the Warren Commission...cant think of the trairors name. oh........Allen Dulles

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57channels
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Yep............fake planes, fake hijackers, fake videos, fake manifests, fake NTSB data[ changed in 2004 ] Holograms inserted by media and Direct energy weapons getting rid of those spires, tossing huge steel columns 600 feet stuck into other buildings, toasted cars, some upside down, most missing door handles.......I see there I think some new weapons were being used on 9-11 there pardner.

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57channels
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But....but.....but NIST said that the evaporated fuel stored inside the 2 big towers melted or buckled or bended or caused the towers to collapse after they both got hit by " Superplane " The 2nd Superplane we can see the left wing dissappear and then come back and the same wing is seen behind a building that is far away from the tower it was suppose to have crashed into. None of Superplane dissappears or shatters off and falls to the ground...and Superplane then lands inside the south tower and doesnt decerlate in speed and the nose comes out the other side.

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57channels
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I think we can all be sure that Superplane didnt have any cryptonyte inside it or it wouldn't have been able to fly some 5-600 MPH at 700 ft above sea level.

pssssssst : According to the expert pilots...no plane could nose dive from 30,000 feet down to 700 feet and correct itself into s traight flight because the engiones could never have had that much energy to do that....the plane would have broke apart......but not " Superplane " Superplane can do anything

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srv63
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Quote from 57channels:
I think we can all be sure that Superplane didnt have any cryptonyte inside it or it wouldn't have been able to fly some 5-600 MPH at 700 ft above sea level.

pssssssst : According to the expert pilots...no plane could nose dive from 30,000 feet down to 700 feet and correct itself into s traight flight because the engiones could never have had that much energy to do that....the plane would have broke apart......but not " Superplane " Superplane can do anything


Now Now 57, don't forget to give credit where credit is due in mentioning the super pilots of them Boeing 767's that were pulling off the impossible. Three arab flunkies with their combined flight experiences, couldn't even fly a small cessna aircraft