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8/6/2015 5:02:11 PM  

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Quote from higgy51:
I hate blocking, but at times, it needs to be done.


Yeah, I must admit I have a low tolerance for trolls and I block them. Some need a 'time-out' for a while.




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8/6/2015 7:43:56 PM  

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Another interesting examination of the Pentagon attack:

http://0911.voila.net/index4.htm

8/6/2015 7:52:53 PM  

longbobby
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higgy51 and loco_corazon ran away like little girls when I started posting again and both blocked me instantly.

Such brave posters we have here.

8/6/2015 8:10:47 PM  

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Quote from 57channels:
By 2005, the reward had grown to $1,000,000 for proof that explosives were not used in the collapse of the World Trade Center.[5]
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Cmon kids.........which one of you collected the 1 million dollas??? Surely you experts could have proved that no explosives were used to collapse the WTC??? Whats wrong kids??????? Was it a 3 way split???

Gee......a Patriot putting his money where his mouth is...and couldn't get the time of day here in fascist America.


One cannot prove a negative, and the clown who put up the money knows it.

Btw, he has the burden of proof to show explosives were deployed and he can't, nor can you or any other truther. The use of Thermite has been disproven, so where does the explosives story turn next?

There's no evidence to support the claim explosives were deployed. No Det cord, no signalling gear, no RF shields, no explosive residue and no Munroe effect.

So, his next step was to find evidence, but this lazy POS decided it would be easier to reverse the burden of proof with a raffle.

Ok, let this be publicly known, I offer a prize of a million dollars to the person who can provide conclusive physical evidence for the use of explosives in the WTC attacks.

I should hear from you soon.



8/6/2015 8:49:00 PM  
funwithmusic
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THE TORONTO REPORT

The 9/11 Toronto Report is a collection of essays submitted by the witnesses who PRESENTED AT THE INTERNATIONAL HEARINGS on the EVENTS of SEPTEMBER 11, 2001...

As you will read in the final chapters of the Report, the opinions of these four individuals, each of which carries credibility and weight that cannot be disputed, make a clear and unmistakable case that the official account of 9/11 is false, and that THE ONLY WAY TO REALIZE TRUTH AND ACCOUNTABILITY IS TO TEAR DOWN THE WALL OF SECRECY AND LIES that has been erected by the United States government around the events of 9/11.




Final Report of Toronto Hearings on 9/11 Now Available
Submitted by JGourley on Sun, 12/02/2012 - 1:33pm

9/11 final report Toronto Hearings

It is with great excitement that I announce the release of the Final Report of the Toronto Hearings, which is titled The 9/11 Toronto Report. It is now available for purchase on Amazon.com, for a reduced introductory price of $12.76. I encourage you to review the content of the book using Amazon's "Look Inside" feature, and if you like the book, leave a positive five-star review. The book has already received a one-star review from someone who has not read the book, and we need to counteract these kinds of reviews.

The 9/11 Toronto Report is a collection of essays submitted by the witnesses who presented at the International Hearings on the Events of September 11, 2001, which were held in Toronto, Canada over the 10th Anniversary of the attacks. I collected the essays, edited them, and arranged them into the chapters you find in the book. I believe it is the most succinct, comprehensive, and persuasive written treatment of the best evidence against the official story for 9/11 that has been produced to date. Those experts who contributed chapters include David Ray Griffin, Kevin Ryan, Peter Dale Scott, Graeme MacQueen, David Chandler, Barbara Honegger, Richard Gage and many others.

The 9/11 Toronto Report also contains a written report and recommendation from each of the four distinguished panelists who heard the evidence presented over the four days of hearings and questioned the witnesses.

The panelists include two eminent Canadian academics, an American civil engineer and academic, and the most famous and influential judge in Italy and honorary president of the Italian Supreme Court, Ferdinando Imposimato.

As you will read in the final chapters of the Report, the opinions of these four individuals, each of which carries credibility and weight that cannot be disputed, make a clear and unmistakable case that the official account of 9/11 is false, and that the only way to realize truth and accountability is to tear down the wall of secrecy and lies that has been erected by the United States government around the events of 9/11.




To Any American who loves this nation, your responsibility to your country..your family.AND YOUR CHILDRENS FUTURE...is to learn the truth about WTC 9/11. and learn that AMERICA WAS ATTACKED FROM WITHIN..and by the fact that the US GOV is lying about this...PROVES TO YOU...YOUR NATION IS A NATION OCCUPIED BY A FOREIGN FORCE...

WTC IS NOT THE FIRST TIME ISRAEL HAS ATTACKED THE USA.....They also attacked the USS LIBERTY..and this was hidden by JEW PRESIDENT LYNDON BEN JOHNSON...and his lackey THE FATHER OF JOHN MCCHAME

There is alot you dont know AS ITS BEEN HIDDEN FROM YOU.....Its time you do your duty..and learn the truth about all these false flags..that are written into the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion..on how to subdue a nation..using 'terrorism'

IS THIS THE AMERICA YOU WISH TO HAND OVER TO YOUR CHILDREN..A NATION RAN BY BLOODTHIRSTY MURDERERS...ORGAN TRAFFICKERS...CHILD MOLESTORS AND CHILD MURDERERS..LIARS ..PARASITES AND THEIVES? Now is the time to expose the OCCUPIED GOV US THE USA..is you have any heart at all for your own flesh and blood..as MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS BEFORE US SINCE 1900 HAVE DIED AT THE HAND OF THIS VICIOUS EVIL PEOPLE..who have reduced us to mere BEASTS..to justify robbing us through false taxation..and murder..


STOP DEFENDING THE PERPETRATORS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001...THEY ATTACKED US ON 9/11..AND ALSO ATTACKED OUR SHIP THE USS LIBERTY murdering our own soldiers..

YOU CHOSE THEM...NOT GOD...read the LETTERS TO THE CHURCHES in REVELATION CHAPTER 2....READ TITUS CHAPTER ONE....YOU FELL FOR THEIR MANY FABLES AND KOL NIDRE LIES .AND YOU ARE BLINDMEN..BEING LED BY BLINDMEN..You give them credibility and power...thus destroying the Kingdom of Christ..and building the Kingdom of Jehovah..the god of the Jews..who is Lucifer.


=========================================================

I CORINTHIANS 9:20..

To the JEW..I became AS A JEW..so as to win the Jews to the Lord...

To those UNDER THE LAW...I became as one UNDER THE LAW..so as to win those under the law.


SEE...ISRAEL..AND EDOMITE JEWS ARE TWO ENTIRELY SEPARATE PEOPLE.




[Edited 8/6/2015 8:51:27 PM ]

8/6/2015 9:29:14 PM  

srv63
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Quote from longbobby:
Quote from higgy51
Why don't you answer the questiojn instead of going on some moroni rant?
Quote from higgy51:
I don't have to prove that they did or didn't

The questions was:
Quote from higgy51:
I don't have to prove that they did or didn't

YOU have maintained that these so called explosions took place at 9.25, before the fall of the towers.
Quote from higgy51:
I don't have to prove that they did or didn't

Hess said he heard no explosions and he was next to Jennings...so were is your proof that there were any explosions and at the time frame you stipulated?
Quote from higgy51:
I don't have to prove that they did or didn't

Show me the time frame of Jennings saying he heard the explosions, the time that they occurred.
Quote from higgy51:
I don't have to prove that they did or didn't

No more insane and irrelevant rants, it matters not if he is dead or gone to live on Mars in the witness program.
Quote from higgy51:
I don't have to prove that they did or didn't

-----------------------------------------------------------

Typical Zio "logic" ...DEMANDING people "prove" this or that while at the same time maintaining.....I don't have to prove that they did or didn't

While ALWAYS using the jewish communist, 25 Rules of Disinformation, Rule #19.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.


Bobby, (and i hope the dumb shills read this as well) all i have to do to PROVE the timeline of when the explosions inside WTC7 started, is to calculate the time of events of Barry Jennings that morning and just use a bit of common sense on how long each event took. I'm not going to type out Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY so you will have to watch the video and time every event as he said it happened and it without a doubt will be clear to you that the explosions in WTC7 that Barry Jennings witnessed started VERY CLOSE to 9:25AM that morning and we know for FACT that WTC1 collapsed at 10:28AM therefore NO WAY IN HELL that the collapse of WTC1 could have started the office fires in WTC7 that supposedly caused it to collapse as well later that evening. THIS is the smoking gun that PROVES 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!

Here's the 21 minute video of Barry Jennings eyewitness testimony.Watch it and weep shills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeY2vJ6ZoA

8/6/2015 9:52:16 PM  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Bobby, (and i hope the dumb shills read this as well) all i have to do to PROVE the timeline of when the explosions inside WTC7 started, is to calculate the time of events of Barry Jennings that morning and just use a bit of common sense on how long each event took.


So that shit translates into, "I'm guessing". Gotcha', well I can give that dumb canard a miss then?


I'm not going to type out Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY so you will have to watch the video and time every event as he said it happened and it without a doubt will be clear to you that the explosions in WTC7 that Barry Jennings witnessed started VERY CLOSE to 9:25AM that morning and we know for FACT that WTC1 collapsed at 10:28AM therefore NO WAY IN HELL that the collapse of WTC1 could have started the office fires in WTC7 that supposedly caused it to collapse as well later that evening. THIS is the smoking gun that PROVES 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!

Here's the 21 minute video of Barry Jennings eyewitness testimony.Watch it and weep shills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeY2vJ6ZoA


There is an intensive discussion of the Hess/Jennings timeline here at ISF:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230712

It appears that Jennings probably arrived at about 9:50. They were quite vague about the times in their interviews, so the timeline is debatable. They mention the burnt cars and buses, so they could not have witnessed those before the first collapse. Your timeline is out.

In fact, if you listen to Barry Jenning's account, you will hear that he was driving in to work when he got the call that a Cessna had flown into WTC 1, and he was directed to go to the OEM on Building 7's 23rd floor. Jennings also states that he was in the building when the second plane hit WTC 2.




8/6/2015 9:58:25 PM  
funwithmusic
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THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION...PROMOTE FALSE FLAG TERRORISM..read it..and then try to deny these Protocols are fake....Zionist Jews INFEST our US GOV , media..publishing..and hide and distort the information in America..so as to keep their identity out of site..blaming others...such as Muslims...or our young men whom they have drugged and used as patsy's..


Elders of Zion Protocol #1 - THE MASTER CARD...TERRORISM USED TO CONTROL THE MASSES

http://holywar.org/protocol/protocol.html

Protocol No. 1
Right lies in Might. Freedom - an idea only. Liberalism. Gold. Faith. Self-Government. Despotism of Capital. The internal foe. The Mob. Anarchy. Politics VERSES Jew-Masonic authority. End justifies Means. The Mob a Blind Man. Political A.B.C. Party Discord. Most satisfactory form of rule-Despotism. Alcohol. Classicism. Corruption. Principles and rules of the Jew-Masonic Government. Terror. "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity." Principles of Dynastic Rule. Annihilation of the priviledges of Goy-Aristocracy (i.e., non-Jew). Abstractness of "Liberty." Power of Removal of representatives of the people.

. . . Putting aside fine phrases we shall speak of the significance of each thought: by comparisons and deductions we shall throw light upon surrounding facts.

What I am about to set forth, then, is our system from the two points of view, that of ourselves and that of the goyim (i.e., non-Jews).


It must be noted that men with bad instincts are more in number than the good, and therefore
the best results in governing them are attained by violence and terrorisation,
and not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power, everyone would like to become a dictator if only he could, and rare indeed are the men who would not be willing to sacrifice the welfare of all for the sake of securing their own welfare.

What has restrained the beasts of prey who are called men? What has served for their guidance hitherto?((MUSIC: THE BABYLON TALMUD OF THE JEWS DEEMS ALL NON JEWS AS BEASTS... This Protocol #1 matches teachings of the Talmud)))

In the beginnings of the structure of society they were subjected to brutal and blind force; afterwards-to Law, which is the same force, only disguised. I draw the conclusion that by the law of nature right lies in force.

Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one's party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority.(((THE LEFT RIGHT PARADIGM))) This task is rendered easier if the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears: the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new author merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism.

In our day the power which has replaced that of the rulers who were liberal is the power of Gold. Time was when Faith ruled. The idea of freedom is impossible of realisation because no one knows how to use it with moderation. It is enough to hand over a people to self-government for a certain length of time for that people to be turned into a disorganised mob. From that moment on we get internecine strife which soon develops into battles between classes, in the midst of which States burn down and their importance is reduced to that of a heap of ashes.

Whether a State exhausts itself in its own convulsions, whether its internal discord brings it under the power of external foes

- in any case it can be accounted irretrievably lost: IT IS IN OUR POWER. The despotism of Capital, which is entirely in our hands, reaches out to it a straw that the State, willy-nilly, must take hold of: if not - it goes to the bottom.

Should anyone of a liberal mind say that such reactions as the above are immoral I would put the following questions - If every State has two foes and if in regard to the external foe it is allowed and not considered immoral to use every manner and art of conflict for example to keep the enemy in ignorance of plans of attack and defence, to attack him by night or in superior numbers,then in what way can the same means in regard to a worse foe the destroyer of the structure of society and the commonwealth, be called immoral and not permissible?

(((MUSIC:OPEN BORDERS ARE FOR ALLOWING UN-KNOWN NUMBERS OF PROTOCOLISTS TO ENTER INTO AMERICA..TO MAKE WAR WITH US LIKE THEY DID IN RUSSIA WHEN THEY RENAMED THAT LAND THE USSR..)))

Is it possible for any sound logical mind to hope with any success to guide crowds by the aid of reasonable counsels and arguments, when any objection or contradiction, senseless though it may be, can be made and when such objection may find more favour with the people, whose powers of reasoning are superficial?

MUSIC:
THESE JEWS BAIT THE PEOPLE,.bring in PORNOGRAPHY..LOVE OF MONEY..FEMINISM..DIVORCES..to weaken the American people.JOHN LENNON said, "THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY IS A REFLECTION OF THE JEWS RELIGION.." Obviously to those paying attention...the Jews religion has NOTHING to do with the God of the bible..BUT MORESO OF SELF WORSHIP..making them LUCIFERIANS


continued



[Edited 8/6/2015 9:59:29 PM ]

8/6/2015 10:00:19 PM  
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continued

Men in masses and the men of the masses, being guided solely by petty passions, paltry beliefs, customs, traditions and sentimental theorism, fall a prey to party disension, which hinders any kind of agreement even on the basis of a perfectly reasonable argument. Every resolution of a crowd depends upon a chance or packed majority which in its ignorance of political secrets puts forth some ridiculous resolution that lays in the administration a seed of anarchy.

The political has nothing in common with the moral. The ruler who is governed by the moral is not a skilled politician, and is therefore unstable on his throne. He who wishes to rule must have recourse both to cunning and to make-believe.(((MUSIC..KOL NIDRE..THE JEWISH ART OF DECEIVING THE NON JEWS..AS TAUGHT TO ALL JEWS FROM THE TALMUD..Great national qualities, like frankness and honesty are vices in politics for they bring down rulers from their thrones more effectively and more certainly than the most powerful enemy.Such qualities must be the attributes of the kingdoms of the goyim, but we must in no wise be guided by them.

(((MUSIC: KOL NIDRE..THE JEWISH ART OF DECEIVING THE NON JEWS as taught from the BABYLON TALMUD OF THE JEWS))))

Our right lies in force. The word "right" is an abstract thought and proved by nothing. The word means no more than: -Give me what I want in order that thereby I might have a proof that I am stronger than you.

Where does right begin? Where does it end?

In any State in which there is a bad organisation of authority, an impersonality of laws and of the rulers who have lost their personality amid the flood of rights ever multiplying out of liberalism, I find a new right - to attack by the right of the strong, and to scatter to the winds all existing forces of order and regulation, to reconstruct all institutions and to become the sovereign lord of those who have left to us the rights of their power by laying them down voluntarily in their liberalism.

MUSIC((GOD WARNED US ABOUT THIS EVIL PEOPLE THAT WERE TO COME..and now here they are...RUNNING THE US GOV..and many governments of the world...THE NEW JEW ORDER.. See the BOOK OF DANIEL 7:25..THOSE WHO SEEK TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWSas written about thousands of years ago in the Bible...Ben Franklin Prophecy told us they would BECOME A STATE WITHIN A STATE..crushing Christianity..and CHANGING OUR GOVERNMENT bringing TERRORISM to the USA..The Jew CHERTOFF creating a PRIVATE JEWISH ARMY - the DHS.. ..A STATE WITHIN A STATE as per the Ben Franklin Prophecy @ Jew Watch..

Our power in the present tottering condition of all forms of power will be more invincible than any other, because it will remain invisible until the moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning can any longer undermine it

.(((MUSIC..THE DHS IS A ARMY FOR JEWS..CREATED BY JEW MICHAEL CHERTOFF..ISRA-HELLI IDF ARE ON AMERICAN SOIL TRAINING JEWS TO FIGHT IN THE DHS TODAY))))

Out of the temporary evil we are now compelled to commit will emerge the good of an unshakable rule, which will restore the regular course of the machinery of the national life, brought to naught by liberalism. The result justifies the means. Let us, however, in our plans, direct our attention not so much to what is good and moral as to what is necessary and useful.

Before us is a plan in which is laid down strategically the line from which we cannot deviate without running the risk of seeing the labor of many centuries brought to naught.

In order to elaborate satisfactory forms of action it is necessary to have regard to the rascality, the slackness, the instability of the mob, its lack of capacity to understand and respect the conditions of its own life, or its own welfare. It must be understood that the might of a mob is blind, senseless and unreasoning force ever at the mercy of a suggestion from any side.((JEWS LEADING REBELLIONS IN AMERICA))) The blind cannot lead the blind without bringing them into the abyss; consequently, members of the mob, upstarts from the people even though they should be as a genius for wisdom, yet having no understanding of the political, cannot come forward as leaders of the mob without bringing the whole nation to ruin.

Only one trained from childhood for independent rule can have understanding of the words that can be made up of the political alphabet.(((MUSIC; JEWS TAUGHT FROM BIRTH..THESE EVIL CONSPIRACIES AGAINST MANKIND....FROM THE BABYLON TALMUD...KABBALAH..ZOHAR..)))

A people left to itself, i.e., to upstarts from its midst, brings itself to ruin by party dissension's excited by the pursuit of power and honours and disorders arising therefrom. Is it possible for the masses of the people calmly and without petty jealousies to form judgments, to deal with the affairs of the country, which cannot be mixed up with personal interests? Can they defend themselves from an eternal foe? It is unthinkable, for a plan broken up into as many parts as there are heads in the mob, loses all homogeneity, and thereby becomes unintelligible and impossible of execution.

It is only with a despotic ruler that plans (CONSPIRACIES) can be elaborated extensively and clearly in such a way as to distribute the whole properly among the several parts of the machinery of the State: from this the conclusion is inevitable that a satisfactory form of government for any country is one that concentrates in the hands of one responsible person. Without an absolute despotism there can be no existence for civilisation which is carried on not by the masses but by their guide, whosoever that person may be. The mob is a savage and displays its savagery at every opportunity. The moment the mob seizes freedom in its hands it quickly turns to anarchy, which in itself is the highest degree of savagery.(((MUSIC..THE MOB IS THE FEMINISTS..HOMOSEXUALS..ATHIESTS...JEWISH SAYANIM...JEWISH MARRANOS INFILTRATING CHRISTENDOM..and all victims of Jewish propaganda and brainwashing through JEWISH CONTROLLED MEDIA which is ALL MEDIA..TV..MOVIES..PUBLISHING..ETC..the BORG COLLECTIVE)))

continued

8/6/2015 10:00:33 PM  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Bobby, (and i hope the dumb shills read this as well) all i have to do to PROVE the timeline of when the explosions inside WTC7 started, is to calculate the time of events of Barry Jennings that morning and just use a bit of common sense on how long each event took. I'm not going to type out Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY so you will have to watch the video and time every event as he said it happened and it without a doubt will be clear to you that the explosions in WTC7 that Barry Jennings witnessed started VERY CLOSE to 9:25AM that morning and we know for FACT that WTC1 collapsed at 10:28AM therefore NO WAY IN HELL that the collapse of WTC1 could have started the office fires in WTC7 that supposedly caused it to collapse as well later that evening. THIS is the smoking gun that PROVES 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!

Here's the 21 minute video of Barry Jennings eyewitness testimony.Watch it and weep shills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeY2vJ6ZoA


How long did you allow for him to pray under the desk? How did you quantify that with 'common sense'?

LOLOL



8/6/2015 10:09:22 PM  

longbobby
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bump

8/6/2015 10:11:44 PM  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
I've seen them and they are not pics of SUPER HOT MOLTEN STEEL. You really tell some lies don't you? All the NASA images show is the heat signature of the rubble pile. You have no method of determining whether it was 'SUPER HOT MOLTEN STEEL'. That is just a fantasy.

Just another bogus claim without evidence as usual.




Just like i have already buried and debunked your dumb a** on the REAL CAUSE of WTC7 collapsing, i'm fixing to bury your dumb a** again on PROOF of MOLTEN STEEL under the rubble of where WTC1,WTC2 and WTC7 once stood.

8/6/2015 10:16:13 PM  
funwithmusic
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continued

Behold the alcoholised animals(NON JEWS), bemused with drink, the right to an immoderate use of which comes along with freedom. It is not for us and ours to walk that road. The peoples of the goyim are bemused with alcoholic liquors; their youth has grown stupid on classicism and from early immorality,((MUSIC: JEWISH RAN PORNOGRAPHY, KIDDIE PORN IN USA)) into which it has been inducted by our special agents - by tutors, lackeys, governesses in the houses of the wealthy, by clerks and others, by our women in the places of dissipation frequented by the goyim. In the number of these last I count also the so-called "society ladies," voluntary followers of the others in corruption and luxury.

Our countersign is -Force and Make-believe.((JEWISH FABLES - BOOK OF TITUS CHAPTER ONE - Beware of Jewish Fables!)))
Only force conquers in political affairs, especially if it be concealed in the talents essential to statesmen. (((MUSIC: JEWS ARE WELL KNOWN FOR FALSE FLAG TERRORISM..)))


MORE PROTOCOLS OF ELDERS OF ZION FALSE FLAG TERRORISM

Violence must be the principle, and cunning and make-believe ((TITUS ONE)))
the rule for governments which do not want to lay down their crowns at the feet of agents of some new power. This evil is the one and only means to attain the end, the good. Therefore we must not stop at bribery, deceit and treachery when they should serve towards the attainment of our end. In politics one must know how to seize the property of others without hesitationMUSIC: THE JEWISH IRS[)))if by it we secure submission and sovereignty.

MORE PROTOCOLS OF ELDERS OF ZION FALSE FLAG TERRORISM

Our State, marching along the path of peaceful conquest, has the right to replace the horrors of war by less noticeable and more satisfactory sentences of death, necessary to maintain the terror which tends to produce blind submission.(((MUSIC: THE UN-PATRIOT ACT)))) Just but merciless severity is the greatest factor of strength in the State: not only for the sake of gain but also in the name of duty, for the sake of victory, we must keep to the programme of violence and make-believe.(((MUSIC: BOOK OF TITUS..PAY NO ATTENTION TO JEWISH FABLES..THEIR WORKS ARE REPROBATE..meaning dooming them to hell..

THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION SUPER GOVERNMENT..AKA JEWNITED NATIONS..AND THEIR NEW WORLD ORDER
The doctrine of squaring accounts is precisely as strong as the means of which it makes use. Therefore it is not so much by the means themselves as by the doctrine of severity that WE SHALL TRIUMPH AND BRING ALL GOVERNMENTS INTO SUBJECTION TO OUR SUPER-GOVERNMENT! It is enough for them to know that we are merciless for all disobedience to cease.(((MUSIC:JEWISH NOAHIDE LAW PASSED IN USA IN 1991..BY BUSH SR...In history the Jews have GENOCIDE MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS WHO WILL NOT DENY CHRIST..USSR WAS THE MOST RECENT besides the Middle East. Jews control all media..therefore..you know only what they allow you to know..till you wake the hell up..)))

Far back in ancient times we were the first to cry among the masses of the people the words "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," words many times repeated since those days by stupid poll-parrots who from all sides round flew down upon these baits and with them carried away the well-being of the world, true freedom of the individual, formerly so well guarded against the pressure of the mob.

The would-be wise men of the goyim, the intellectuals, could not make anything out of the uttered words in their abstractness; did not note the contradiction of their meaning and inter-relation: did not see that in nature there is no equality, cannot be freedom: that Nature herself has established inequality of minds, of characters, and capacities, just as immutable as she has established subordination to her laws: never stopped to think that the mob is a blind thing, that upstarts elected from among it to bear rule are, in regard to the political, the same blind men as the mob itself, that the adept, though he be a fool, can yet rule, whereas the non-adept, even if he were a genius, understands nothing in the political - to all these things the goyim paid no regard; yet all the time it was based upon these things that dynastic rule rested: the father passed on to the son a knowledge of the course of political affairs in such wise that none should know it but members of the dynasty and none could betray it to the governed. As time went on the meaning of the dynastic transference of the true position of affairs in the political was lost, and this aided the success of our cause.

In all corners of the earth the words "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" brought to our ranks, thanks to our blind agents, whole legions who bore our banners with enthusiasm. (((MUSIC: JEWS HAVE GREATLY INFILTRATED OUR GOV..INSTITUTIONS..CHURCHES...ETC as per these PROTOCOLS)))

continued

8/6/2015 10:17:20 PM  
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continued

IF YOU PEOPLE ARE TO LEARN ANYTHING...YOU MUST READ READ READ...ITS THE ONLY WAY....BE SURE TO READ ALL OF THIS..

IT PROVES WHO IS DOING ALL THIS FALSE FLAG TERRORISM IN THE USA..AND ALL AROUND THE WORLD...


THE ZIONIST "MASTER CARD:" "CREATING FALSE FLAG TERRORISM" - DESTROYING THE GOYIM-PUTTING AN END TO PEACE IN AMERICA

And all the time these words were canker-worms at work boring into the well-being of the goyim, putting an end everywhere to peace, quiet, solidarity and destroying all the foundations of the goy States.
As you will see later this helped us to our triumph; it gave us the possibility, among other things, of getting into our hands THE MASTER CARD - -the destruction of the privileges, or in other words of the very existence of the aristocracy of the goyim, that class which was the only defence peoples and countries had against us.

((((MUSIC: THE DUMBING DOWN OF AMERICA..AND RACE MIXING..AS THE JEWS THINK THE DARKER PEOPLE ARE STUPID..so they want whites and blacks to mix to become a more controllable goyim for Jews to rule over THIS IS TALMUDISM AT ITS DARKEST EVIL..)))


On the ruins of the natural and genealogical aristocracy of the goyim we have set up the aristocracy of our educated class headed by the aristocracy of money. The qualifications for this aristocracy we have established in wealth, which is dependent upon us and in knowledge, for which our learned elders provide the motive force.


(((MUSIC: THE BORG COLLECTED CONTROLLED BY RABBIS AND SYNAGOGUES..Not religious..but a POLITICAL MOVEMENT is what JUDAISM truly is..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD.

Our triumph has been rendered easier by the fact that in our relations with the men whom we wanted we have always worked upon the most sensitive chords of the human mind, upon the cash account, upon the cupidity, upon the insatiability for material needs of man; and each one of these human weaknesses, taken alone, is sufficient to paralyse initiative for it hands over the will of men to the disposition of him who has bought their activities

(((MUSIC: THE MANY JEWISH CORPORATIONS, THE MERCHANTS OF MATERIAL GOODS....THE PORN MERCHANTS - DECAYING OUR SOCIETY...MANY NATIONS IN HISTORY HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE JEWS..AND THEIR BRINGING DECADENCE AND IMMORALITY TO THEIR NATIONS. Jews are hated because they are a hateful people..

The abstraction((dealing with ideas instead of events)) of freedom has enabled us to persuade the mob in all countries that their government is nothing but the steward of the people who are the owners of the country, and that the steward may be replaced like a worn-out glove.

It is this possibility of replacing the representatives of the people which has placed them at our disposal, and, as it were, given us the power of appointment.


==================================

You cant say the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are fake..when you can see them happening right in front of your face..and all throughout history...

=============================

THE BIBLE SHOWS YOU JEWS ARE NOT ISRAELITE

I CORINTHIANS 9:20..
To the JEW I became AS A JEW..so as to win him to the Lord

To those UNDER THE LAW..I became as one UNDER THE LAW..so as to win those under the law to the Lord

=======================================

REVELATION CHAPTER TWO..LETTERS TO THE CHURCHES..WARNS YOU ABOUT THE JEWS...

SEE..JEWS ARE NOT ISRAELITES..If you Christian Zionist would bother to read the scriptures...you would not be helping the enemies of mankind..and because you have...our nation is cursed by God..because you have turned away from the truth..II THESS 2 and are inviting Jewish Rabbis...Men of Perdition...to come into our chruches..which is forbidden by God...Read II JOHN 1:7-11...They preach another GOSPEL OF CHRIST..THEREFORE...JEWS ARE ANTI CHRISTS..and your NOT ALLOWED to have any kind of alliance with them


CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS:
THE END TIMES LESSONS YOU HAVE LEARNED..DO NOT EXIST IN THE BIBLE..THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ANTI CHRIST MAN...that is Judaism - AKA THE EIN SOF
....YOU Christian Zionists PRACTICE JUDAISM...NOT CHRISTIANITY...You cannot serve two masters..


ALL EVIDENCE POINTS RIGHT AT ISRA-HELL..AS THE PERPS OF WTC 9/11..ONLY THEY HAVE BENEFITED FROM THIS EVENT..



This race is not cleaver or smart..they are psychopathic due to the teachings of their sick religion..They lack any kind of Godly moral boundaries and because OF THEIR CONDITION..PEACE AND CIVILITY IS ROBBED FROM ANY NATIONS WHERE JEWS SWARM TO LIKE THE DESTRUCTIVE LOCUSTS.. AND IN NATION AFTER NATION...the Jews have been KICKED OUT ON THEIR KOL NIDRE LYING ASSES OUT...AND YET JEWS CRY PERSECUTION...Its like the spoiled baby..that didnt get its way...Is that something to be proud of? I think not..

..Boundaries are what mentally healthy CIVILIZED people abide by TO KEEP CIVILITY..so as you can see..Im not that impressed by the Jewish people of Talmudic Judaism..


8/6/2015 10:18:35 PM  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Just like i have already buried and debunked your dumb a** on the REAL CAUSE of WTC7 collapsing, i'm fixing to bury your dumb a** again on PROOF of MOLTEN STEEL under the rubble of where WTC1,WTC2 and WTC7 once stood.


You've done none of the above, and I won't hold my breath for your supposed debunking. You've said similar shit before and done nothing.

If you wish to debate the collapse of 7WTC, I'm willing. So far you've stated nothing really, except wild speculation. You did not address my point about free fall being exceeded, and this is important, but you ignored it as usual. You have given me nothing of value regarding 7WTC, or anything else for that matter like, the primer, the fuselage etc., etc.



Anyway, why does your timeline for Jennings conflict with that of Catalanos? Will you ignore this and claim victory as well?

http://www.buildings.com/article-details/articleid/925/title/first-on-the-scene-2-of-3.aspx




8/6/2015 10:21:30 PM  
funwithmusic
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Quote from class5:
There is an intensive discussion of the Hess/Jennings timeline here at ISF:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230712

It appears that Jennings probably arrived at about 9:50. They were quite vague about the times in their interviews, so the timeline is debatable. They mention the burnt cars and buses, so they could not have witnessed those before the first collapse. Your timeline is out.

In fact, if you listen to Barry Jenning's account, you will hear that he was driving in to work when he got the call that a Cessna had flown into WTC 1, and he was directed to go to the OEM on Building 7's 23rd floor. Jennings also states that he was in the building when the second plane hit WTC 2.





There were no planes...YOu mean explosions..

The idea of PLANES was obviously put into the minds of people by the CONTROLLED MEDIA...


on 9/11..when I SAW THE WTC EXPLODE AND THOSE HOT PYROCLASTIC CLOUDS CAME OUT..I KNEW THIS WAS A BOLD FACED LIE IN THE MEDIA


ALL THE JET FUEL..if there were planes..EXPLODED UPON IMPACT..therefore..there was no jet fuel to run down stairways...etc..


Even a 5th grader can figure this out...

All these years later..and your still in the WTC KINDERGARTEN of knowledge..




8/6/2015 10:24:33 PM  

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Quote from funwithmusic:
There were no planes...YOu mean explosions..

The idea of PLANES was obviously put into the minds of people by the CONTROLLED MEDIA...


on 9/11..when I SAW THE WTC EXPLODE AND THOSE HOT PYROCLASTIC CLOUDS CAME OUT..I KNEW THIS WAS A BOLD FACED LIE IN THE MEDIA


ALL THE JET FUEL..if there were planes..EXPLODED UPON IMPACT..therefore..there was no jet fuel to run down stairways...etc..


Even a 5th grader can figure this out...

All these years later..and your still in the WTC KINDERGARTEN of knowledge..




Well all that is just worthless noise. Do you have any input on the Jennings timeline?



8/6/2015 10:30:17 PM  

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Quote from higgy51:
I have eyewitness testimony that there were NO explosions....so where does that leaves us?

What I want is the TIME FRAME of these explosions...T I M E F R A M E

Why would I want to see a photo, obviously photo-shopped by conspiracy nutcases, showing your super hot molten steel? How you KNOW is is SUPER HOT is a miracle though, how you can tell that from a satellite imagery is miraculous!


Higgy acting stupid as always. What is that, rule 19 of you jews higgy? I think that's what bobby said.

I just gave you a timeframe but your lazy jew a** is going to have to watch a 21 minute video that i posted. Can you handle that?

All i WANT from you is the truth instead of all your jew deceptive bullshit

8/6/2015 10:32:43 PM  

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Quote from class5:
Well all that is just worthless noise. Do you have any input on the Jennings timeline?



Do you have a brain mr fancy pants? Figure the timeline out yourself. Noone here is your mommy

8/6/2015 10:34:33 PM  

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Quote from class5:
Yeah, I must admit I have a low tolerance for trolls and I block them. Some need a 'time-out' for a while.


Trolls? Pot meet kettle

8/6/2015 10:38:38 PM  
funwithmusic
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Quote from srv63:
Trolls? Pot meet kettle





He even called me a troll..AND THIS IS MY THREAD!!

HOW CAN THE OP BE A TROLL IN HER OWN THREAD?



8/6/2015 10:39:59 PM  

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Quote from srv63:
Do you have a brain mr fancy pants? Figure the timeline out yourself. Noone here is your mommy


I have Moron, I was wondering if Fun had any input. Please revise comprehension.



8/6/2015 10:40:01 PM  
funwithmusic
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Quote from funwithmusic:
There were no planes...YOu mean explosions..

The idea of PLANES was obviously put into the minds of people by the CONTROLLED MEDIA...


on 9/11..when I SAW THE WTC EXPLODE AND THOSE HOT PYROCLASTIC CLOUDS CAME OUT..I KNEW THIS WAS A BOLD FACED LIE IN THE MEDIA


ALL THE JET FUEL..if there were planes..EXPLODED UPON IMPACT..therefore..there was no jet fuel to run down stairways...etc..


Even a 5th grader can figure this out...

All these years later..and your still in the WTC KINDERGARTEN of knowledge..






Quote from class5:
Well all that is just worthless noise. Do you have any input on the Jennings timeline?




You do realize that the supposed JET FUEL all blew up upon impact..and yet..you still think it melted iron?

WHAT CAUSED THOSE VOLCANO LIKE PYROCLASTIC EXPLOSIONS..if not NUCLEAR THERMITE?

8/6/2015 10:40:20 PM  

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Quote from funwithmusic:


He even called me a troll..AND THIS IS MY THREAD!!

HOW CAN THE OP BE A TROLL IN HER OWN THREAD?



By your behaviour.

8/6/2015 10:41:48 PM  

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Quote from funwithmusic:


You do realize that the supposed JET FUEL all blew up upon impact..and yet..you still think it melted iron?


No, where did you get that stupid idea from?

WHAT CAUSED THOSE VOLCANO LIKE PYROCLASTIC EXPLOSIONS..if not NUCLEAR THERMITE?


Nuclear thermite? Jesus Christ, that was dumb. Anyway, back to the Jennings timeline, do you have any input on the subject?





[Edited 8/6/2015 10:42:31 PM ]

8/6/2015 10:44:19 PM  
funwithmusic
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They attacked the USS LIBERTY..with the blessings of our ZIONIST JEWISH PRESIDENT LYNDON (BEN)BANES JOHNSON....


NOW THIS!!!!!!!!!


See...even the ISRAHELLIES agree..




[Edited 8/6/2015 10:45:10 PM ]

8/6/2015 10:45:42 PM  

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Quote from srv63:
Higgy acting stupid as always. What is that, rule 19 of you jews higgy? I think that's what bobby said.

I just gave you a timeframe but your lazy jew a** is going to have to watch a 21 minute video that i posted. Can you handle that?

All i WANT from you is the truth instead of all your jew deceptive bullshit


The jewish communist, 25 Rules of Disinformation, Rule #19.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

Here's where the other 24 are that hinky and noclass use.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/

8/6/2015 11:04:41 PM  

class5
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Again, as the noise buried it:

It appears that Jennings probably arrived at about 9:50. They were quite vague about the times in their interviews, so the timeline is debatable. They mention the burnt cars and buses, so they could not have witnessed those before the first collapse. Your timeline is out.

In fact, if you listen to Barry Jenning's account, you will hear that he was driving in to work when he got the call that a Cessna had flown into WTC 1, and he was directed to go to the OEM on Building 7's 23rd floor. Jennings also states that he was in the building when the second plane hit WTC 2.

SRV, care to comment?

8/6/2015 11:24:09 PM  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
There is an intensive discussion of the Hess/Jennings timeline here at ISF:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230712

It appears that Jennings probably arrived at about 9:50. They were quite vague about the times in their interviews, so the timeline is debatable. They mention the burnt cars and buses, so they could not have witnessed those before the first collapse. Your timeline is out.

In fact, if you listen to Barry Jenning's account, you will hear that he was driving in to work when he got the call that a Cessna had flown into WTC 1, and he was directed to go to the OEM on Building 7's 23rd floor. Jennings also states that he was in the building when the second plane hit WTC 2.




Here is the most important statement from Mr Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY that PROVES that WTC1 collapsing had NOTHING to do with the cause of WTC7 collapsing. It PROVES that explosions were going on inside WTC7 BEFORE WTC1 even got close to collapsing.Mr Jennings is quoted as saying:

I was trapped in there several hours. I was trapped in there when both buildings came down. The firefighters came ...And then they ran away. See, I didn't know what was going on. That's when the first tower fell. When they started running the first tower was coming down. Then I saw them come back. Now I saw them come back with more concern on their faces. Instead, they ran away again: the second tower fell. So as they turned and ran the second time, the guy said, ``Don't worry, we'll be back for you." And they did come back.

Read it and weep shills

http://www.mujahidkamran.com/articles.php?id=45

8/7/2015 12:07:14 AM  
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hhhmm..I wonder if this old mans head was photo shopped onto that marvelous body?




8/7/2015 12:09:28 AM  
funwithmusic
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Quote from longbobby:
The jewish communist, 25 Rules of Disinformation, Rule #19.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

Here's where the other 24 are that hinky and noclass use.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/


Or keep demanding proof that has already been posted over and over..but for some reason...the mental midgets cannot seem to retain what they have read..



8/7/2015 12:20:08 AM  

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Quote from class5:
Again, as the noise buried it:

It appears that Jennings probably arrived at about 9:50. They were quite vague about the times in their interviews, so the timeline is debatable. They mention the burnt cars and buses, so they could not have witnessed those before the first collapse. Your timeline is out.

In fact, if you listen to Barry Jenning's account, you will hear that he was driving in to work when he got the call that a Cessna had flown into WTC 1, and he was directed to go to the OEM on Building 7's 23rd floor. Jennings also states that he was in the building when the second plane hit WTC 2.

SRV, care to comment?


And you predict Barry Jennings arriving at WTC7 at 9:50AM? That would be a very convenient time for you shills and the murdering bastards that orchestrated 9/11. That way you could inch that timeline oh so close to 10:28AM when WTC1 collapsed but no cigar shill. This is just more proof that you are showing your true colors as a paid government shill by trying to use deception to "move the goal posts" as you put it. Your momma would be so proud.

As you can see by reading the url that i last posted, the person that wrote that piece also puts Barry Jennings arriving to WTC7 at damned close to the same time that i predicted so i guess this country boy is brighter than you shills give credit

8/7/2015 12:23:12 AM  

srv63
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Quote from funwithmusic:
Or keep demanding proof that has already been posted over and over..but for some reason...the mental midgets cannot seem to retain what they have read..





Can you smell a debunking victory in the air yet Fun?

8/7/2015 12:52:10 AM  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Here is the most important statement from Mr Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY that PROVES that WTC1 collapsing had NOTHING to do with the cause of WTC7 collapsing. It PROVES that explosions were going on inside WTC7 BEFORE WTC1 even got close to collapsing.Mr Jennings is quoted as saying:

I was trapped in there several hours. I was trapped in there when both buildings came down. The firefighters came ...And then they ran away. See, I didn't know what was going on. That's when the first tower fell. When they started running the first tower was coming down. Then I saw them come back. Now I saw them come back with more concern on their faces. Instead, they ran away again: the second tower fell. So as they turned and ran the second time, the guy said, ``Don't worry, we'll be back for you." And they did come back.

Read it and weep shills

http://www.mujahidkamran.com/articles.php?id=45


Well, that contradicts his own testimony where he stated that he was on his way to work when the first plane struck.

I call BS on your source. Read the thread I posted earlier on the subject then get back to me.



8/7/2015 12:53:42 AM  

class5
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Quote from srv63:


Can you smell a debunking victory in the air yet Fun?


I can and have been able to throughout the thread. When are you going to give it a go because all your attempts thus far have failed miserably?



What about Catalanos's testimony that contradicts Jennings? Why do you dismiss him and believe Jennings?



[Edited 8/7/2015 12:56:09 AM ]

8/7/2015 1:03:08 AM  

class5
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Here it is again for you:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230712


Bon Appetit!

8/7/2015 1:23:51 AM  

class5
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From the thread stated above:

"Jennings and Hess arrived at the OEM sometime after it had been evacuated. This points to a time somewhere between 9:30am and 10:am. According to NIST NCSTAR 1A the evacuation of the OEM was ordered at 9:45am. Using that figure then it is likely they arrived closer to 10:am.

WTC 7 was not completely evacuated when the South Tower collapsed at 9:59am. The EMS Triage operations were still functioning right up to that point, in WTC 7 - so there were a lot of personnel and injured people still.
If there had been some kind of giant explosion in the building, these people would not only have been witnesses to it, but victims also.

After the collapse of WTC 2, EMS personnel were assigned to make sure WTC 7 was evacuated. There were no reports of collapsed stairwells by any of those personnel. The only damage reported was broken glass along with very thick dust from the tower collapse.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Peruggia_John.txt


Michael Hess reported that power went out while they were in the OEM. This happened when WTC 2 collapsed according to independent reports. It establishes that Jennings and Hess were still in the OEM at 9:59am.

A security officer is sent up into WTC 7 after the collapse of WTC 2 to ensure that the building has been fully evacuated. He ascends stairwells as far as the 40th floors and then descends. Around the time he reaches the 30th floor WTC 7 shakes and everything goes black, due to the collapse of the North Tower WTC 1. He continues down to the 23rd floor and finds the OEM empty and filled with smoke. He is eventually rescued and escorted out of the building, as were Jennings and Hess.

http://www.historycommons.org/contex...ecurityofficer

By the time Jennings and Hess break a window to call for help, both towers have collapsed, as evidenced by their observation of scores of burning vehicles on Barclay St. Neither man could see either the North or South tower from this location, even if they had been still standing, so their assumptions were not based on direct observation. Neither man realized that the towers had collapsed at that point."

Courtesy of AlienEntity (ISF)



SRV's contention is ridiculous.

8/7/2015 2:04:25 AM  

class5
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Now, let's address the failure in logic behind SRV's claim.


a) Why demolish 7WTC at all? The idea is irrational as few knew of the building's existence, so what value would such a complicated operation serve to Bush's administration? Gage had to run an advertising campaign to create an awareness of the fact that the Salomon building had collapsed on 9/11. It was superfluous to the already unnecessary motives as presented by 9/11 truth (i.e. a pretext for war). In the plan of this so-called 'false flag' operation, the destruction of 7WTC would have required precision timing which potentially had the ability to jeopardise the whole operation. The 'demolition of 7WTC' lacks a logical premise and was completely unnecessary in light of the day's events.

b) Why was it necessary to weaken the structural integrity of 7WTC SEVEN hours prior to the collapse as implied by SRV? The risk of failure and collapse PRIOR to that of 1WTC (if we are to believe SRV) again has the potential to jeopardise the whole operation. The risk factor increases exponentially with every additional step in this absurd hypothesis.

This is before we address the lies and misinformation of truther sites regarding the collapse (free-fall = explosives canard).



8/7/2015 2:19:05 AM  
higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
Higgy acting stupid as always. What is that, rule 19 of you jews higgy? I think that's what bobby said.

I just gave you a timeframe but your lazy jew a** is going to have to watch a 21 minute video that i posted. Can you handle that?

All i WANT from you is the truth instead of all your jew deceptive bullshit


I watched that video, boring as it was and did you know that he said he "Prayed to Allah"? He's a muslim plant and a paid witness to say that, deflecting the blame away from his fellow muslims.

Timeframe:

The ONLY indication of any time was that he was driving to work when he received a call that a plane hit the first building. That was at 8.46 and I estimate he wouldn't have got that call until at LEAST 10-15 minutes after the event.

There were no other indications to any times. Except he was trapped for 7 (or several) hours,

So, in order for you to prove that the explosions he heard (But Hess didn't) were prior to the Towers coming down, you need to establish that point. You see srv, if you were to take this to court, the defense would rip you a new ass-hole. They would request that you prove that he heard and witnessed these explosions (and they would call Hess to the stand and he would say that there were no explosions) before the collapse of the building.

You need to establish the time he actually (and logically) got into the building, bearing in mind he was driving when he received a phone call about the 1st plane hitting. He would then have to continue driving, park up, make his way to the building.

Sorry srv, you jew hating SOB, but you have the burden of proof.

In addition, below is an excerpt from this link and when you read it, you will see the Fire Officer said he received a Call AFTER 9am.

You will also read that he had to make his way (walking) to the WTC, some distance away and when he got there, he was told to go to the OEM where he was then told they were evacuating..this had to be way after 9.25 ..the time frame Jennings say he checked the room....they were STILL in the OEM, so it had to be later.

GOT BACK AND THEN WALKED NORTH ON CHURCH
STREET TO BARCLAY BARCLAY TO WASHINGTON AND AT
WASHINGTON STREET PROCEEDED SOUTH TO VESEY AND THATS
WHERE WENT TO OEM BECAUSE FIGURED SINCE WORKED
THERE BEFORE COULD GIVE THEM HAND MET CHIEF
PERUGGIA WHO SAID SEE IF YOU CAN GET TO THE 23RD
FLOOR TO STAFF THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
BEING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVE
WHEN GOT TO THE 23RD FLOOR THEY TOLD ME
THEY WERE EVACUATING THE BUILDING AND PROCEEDED TO
THE LOBBY AND FROM THAT TIME DONT RECALL WHAT
HAPPENED BUT DID GET TO 10 ENGINE AND 10 TRUCK IN

8/7/2015 2:20:10 AM  
higgy51
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http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110244.PDF

8/7/2015 2:30:57 AM  

class5
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If Jennings and Hess noted the burning cars and Buses on Barclay St., that definitely puts this observation after the collapse of 1WTC.

How did Jennings see the building from Barclay St?



Jennings: 'Once I broke out the windows I could see outside below me. I saw police cars on fire, buses on fire. I looked one way, the building was there, I looked the other, the building was gone'

Hmm...

8/7/2015 3:24:49 AM  

class5
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Why would I believe anything Rodriguez or McPadden said?

https://youtu.be/ttlIXUmd3f0

Indeed, why do those who meet Alex Jones change their story so much?




8/7/2015 3:40:15 AM  

class5
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The window which Jennings broke is framed within the red square:



8/7/2015 7:10:37 AM  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
Well, that contradicts his own testimony where he stated that he was on his way to work when the first plane struck.

I call BS on your source. Read the thread I posted earlier on the subject then get back to me.



The ONLY reason you call bullshit on that source that i posted, is because it is not what YOU want to hear. Too bad shill, accept it. Btw, i jut ran across that link last night. That was not the basis of how i set my timeline to figure out when Jennings got to work that morning, my common sense set that timeline.

8/7/2015 7:12:00 AM  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
I can and have been able to throughout the thread. When are you going to give it a go because all your attempts thus far have failed miserably?



What about Catalanos's testimony that contradicts Jennings? Why do you dismiss him and believe Jennings?


Do you really need to ask such an ignorant question?

8/7/2015 2:01:24 PM  

57channels
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Fun

Or keep demanding proof that has already been posted over and over..but for some reason...the mental midgets cannot seem to retain what they have read..
====================================================
They never will either. Their paychecks are at stake here. I couldn't do it....I have a conscience. I couldn't announce a college or pro football game either and try to keep a straight face. If a 16 gauge shotgun was pointed at my head to try and make up excuses for the US Govt. murdering those people on 9-11, and I was on tv or the radio...I would try to say " fire caused the collapse of all 3 towers 1,2, and 7 " and all the rest of the lies about 9-11 on a page right in front of me ------ but I think I would probably get my head blown off. You either have a conscious or you dont give a rats a** about high treason and mass murder. No in be tweens here.

8/7/2015 2:21:48 PM  

tragicparrot
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Quote from srv63:
The ONLY reason you call bullshit on that source that i posted, is because it is not what YOU want to hear. Too bad shill, accept it. Btw, i jut ran across that link last night. That was not the basis of how i set my timeline to figure out when Jennings got to work that morning, my common sense set that timeline.


So how is setting your timeline have anything to do with when Jennings arrived at work? Besides, its all on record. Timeline of events...

08:46 Flight 11 hits WTC 1
08:46 – 09:03 Office workers begins to evacuate the buildingActivation of the EOC Barry Jennings on his way to work is called and asked to go to the EOC. This could also have occurred after 09:03.
09:03 Flight 175 hits WTC 2
09:03 – 09:32 General evacuation of the building by all office workers
09:32 – 09:44 Evacuation of the OEM and EOC after it is being reported that a possible third plane is approaching
09:44 – 09:59 Barry Jennings and Michael Hess arrive in the EOC on floor 23. The EOC is empty.
09:59 WTC 2 collapsesShaking of buildingPower failureElevators stop working Michael Hess describes in an interviewower failureThe Elevators stop working
09:59 – 10:28 Remaining personnel evacuates the building including the EMS triage center established in the loading dock on the ground floor. Barry Jennings makes phonecalls to find out what is going on. Told on the phone to leave the building.
Barry Jennings and Michael Hess evacuates down the east stairwell of WTC 7.
10:28 WTC 1 collapsesLarge pieces of debris hits the south face of WTC 7 causing extensive damage to buildings exterior. Burning debris from WTC 1 starts fires on several floors. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess on floor 6 in the stairwell:The building shaking and the stairwell fills with dust and smoke. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess forced back to floor 8th
10:28 – 11:59 Evacuation of a WTC 7 security officer trapped on floor 7 Breaks window on floor 8 and calls for helpEvacuated by firefighters during this time frame
05:21 WTC 7 collapses.

As mentioned already several posts ago, there are no controversies when the claims are placed in proper context together with a corrected timeline.

Grasping at straws to make it sound as though a DEAD Barry Jennings said things he didn't hasn't gotten ya very far has it srv63? ...Other than to post the same old vitriol as though it somehow proves 911 was an inside job complete with secret orbs, disguised missiles, holograms, high explosives, thermite, fake passengers, no passengers, paid to keep their mouths shut public employees/office workers/firefighters/thousands of bystanders/the entire PDNY FDNY/numerous other fire departments/etc etc, not to mention those who had survived but are now dead under circumstances best descibed by truthers as having been "silenced".

As pointed out numerous times, what evidence do you have srv63 that could possibly prove any of the above is true other than taking just your word for it?



8/7/2015 2:29:46 PM  

tragicparrot
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Quote from 57channels:
Fun

Or keep demanding proof that has already been posted over and over..but for some reason...the mental midgets cannot seem to retain what they have read..
====================================================
They never will either. Their paychecks are at stake here. I couldn't do it....I have a conscience. I couldn't announce a college or pro football game either and try to keep a straight face. If a 16 gauge shotgun was pointed at my head to try and make up excuses for the US Govt. murdering those people on 9-11, and I was on tv or the radio...I would try to say " fire caused the collapse of all 3 towers 1,2, and 7 " and all the rest of the lies about 9-11 on a page right in front of me ------ but I think I would probably get my head blown off. You either have a conscious or you dont give a rats a** about high treason and mass murder. No in be tweens here.


Just the idea alone that you "believe" some of us on Datehookup are paid government shills is proof enough your either extraordinarily stupid, or you suffer some form of mental illness. I'm thinking possibly both.

8/7/2015 3:16:10 PM  

longbobby
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Just the idea alone that you "believe" some of us on Datehookup are paid government shills is proof enough your either extraordinarily stupid, or you suffer some form of mental illness. I'm thinking possibly both.
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8/7/2015 4:23:08 PM  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
The ONLY reason you call bullshit on that source that i posted, is because it is not what YOU want to hear.


No, your timeline doesn't make sense. I've already posted a more logical timeline, why did you ignore it? It agrees with the testimony of Hess and Catalano. Why would you selectively give weight to one eyewitness and ignore the other two?



Too bad shill, accept it. Btw, i jut ran across that link last night. That was not the basis of how i set my timeline to figure out when Jennings got to work that morning, my common sense set that timeline.



Yeah well, your 'common sense' needs a whole lot of work.





[Edited 8/7/2015 4:23:23 PM ]

8/7/2015 4:24:48 PM  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Do you really need to ask such an ignorant question?


So you won't explain why you selectively choose one account over others. I get it, you need to CYA as your argument is so weak. Understandable.



8/7/2015 4:40:17 PM  

class5
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Quote from 57channels:
You either have a conscious or you dont give a rats a** about high treason and mass murder. No in be tweens here.


Your logic is appalling. You really have no skills in that area at all.



8/7/2015 7:29:43 PM  

srv63
Over 1,000 Posts (1,569)
Baytown, TX
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Quote from tragicparrot:
So how is setting your timeline have anything to do with when Jennings arrived at work? Besides, its all on record. Timeline of events...

08:46 Flight 11 hits WTC 1
08:46 – 09:03 Office workers begins to evacuate the buildingActivation of the EOC Barry Jennings on his way to work is called and asked to go to the EOC. This could also have occurred after 09:03.
09:03 Flight 175 hits WTC 2
09:03 – 09:32 General evacuation of the building by all office workers
09:32 – 09:44 Evacuation of the OEM and EOC after it is being reported that a possible third plane is approaching
09:44 – 09:59 Barry Jennings and Michael Hess arrive in the EOC on floor 23. The EOC is empty.
09:59 WTC 2 collapsesShaking of buildingPower failureElevators stop working Michael Hess describes in an interviewower failureThe Elevators stop working
09:59 – 10:28 Remaining personnel evacuates the building including the EMS triage center established in the loading dock on the ground floor. Barry Jennings makes phonecalls to find out what is going on. Told on the phone to leave the building.
Barry Jennings and Michael Hess evacuates down the east stairwell of WTC 7.
10:28 WTC 1 collapsesLarge pieces of debris hits the south face of WTC 7 causing extensive damage to buildings exterior. Burning debris from WTC 1 starts fires on several floors. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess on floor 6 in the stairwell:The building shaking and the stairwell fills with dust and smoke. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess forced back to floor 8th
10:28 – 11:59 Evacuation of a WTC 7 security officer trapped on floor 7 Breaks window on floor 8 and calls for helpEvacuated by firefighters during this time frame
05:21 WTC 7 collapses.

As mentioned already several posts ago, there are no controversies when the claims are placed in proper context together with a corrected timeline.

Grasping at straws to make it sound as though a DEAD Barry Jennings said things he didn't hasn't gotten ya very far has it srv63? ...Other than to post the same old vitriol as though it somehow proves 911 was an inside job complete with secret orbs, disguised missiles, holograms, high explosives, thermite, fake passengers, no passengers, paid to keep their mouths shut public employees/office workers/firefighters/thousands of bystanders/the entire PDNY FDNY/numerous other fire departments/etc etc, not to mention those who had survived but are now dead under circumstances best descibed by truthers as having been "silenced".

As pointed out numerous times, what evidence do you have srv63 that could possibly prove any of the above is true other than taking just your word for it?



You call that shit that you posted, a timeline? You have wayyyyyyyyy too much lead way there and are going to have to be more exact on the timeline of each event so that i can punch huge holes in it, or is that the reason for such a big lead way

8/7/2015 7:40:16 PM  

srv63
Over 1,000 Posts (1,569)
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Quote from class5:
So you won't explain why you selectively choose one account over others. I get it, you need to CYA as your argument is so weak. Understandable.



Question is, why would you agree with the accounts of hess and catalano? Could it be because they cowered down when their lives were threatened and said whatever they were told?

8/7/2015 7:40:32 PM  

tragicparrot
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Painesville, OH
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Quote from longbobby:
Quote from tragicparrot:
Just the idea alone that you "believe" some of us on Datehookup are paid government shills is proof enough your either extraordinarily stupid, or you suffer some form of mental illness. I'm thinking possibly both.
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Is this supposed mean something longbobby? Claiming there are government shills on Datehookup, of all places, are words right out of 57channels own mouth. So who's making shit up here longbobby, 57channels? Or you too?

8/7/2015 8:13:00 PM  

longbobby
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Is this supposed mean something longbobby? Claiming there are government shills on Datehookup, of all places, are words right out of 57channels own mouth. So who's making shit up here longbobby, 57channels? Or you too?
------------------------------------------------------

Jim_a49 aka yasureoktoo; admitted on a thread by dougiem awhile back, to being a government shill. That was why he deleted his jim_a49 profile and became yasureoktoo.

LOTS of people remember that.

He's not the only one, now is he, eh Shill?

Oh and btw? Zionist denials are worthless. Everyone expects you guys to deny everything and none of you have any credibility. Especially pertaining to 911.

8/7/2015 8:25:39 PM  

57channels
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SRV

Could it be because they cowered down when their lives were threatened and said whatever they were told?
======================================================
Its called the game of life. I'm sure there are some that say " F**k you and stick your threats up your a** " soooooo then they threaten their family members....and then its 99-100% the fix is in...I will say or do whatever you want. It has been that way since the beginning of man.........and always will be.

The rich and powerful will always get their way. First they try and buy them off I think, then they blackmail them if they cant buy them off, and last they threaten them or kill them or their families.

8/7/2015 8:29:55 PM  

57channels
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The people who said they saw a jet crash into the Pentagon were either 10 times losers who needed the money or govt. plants that had 10 aliases who couldnt be tracked by anyone trying to figure out who they really are. Fake names to go along with the fake planes, fake hijackers, fake videos ect.ect.

8/7/2015 9:07:18 PM  

tragicparrot
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Painesville, OH
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Quote from longbobby:
Quote from tragicparrot:
Is this supposed mean something longbobby? Claiming there are government shills on Datehookup, of all places, are words right out of 57channels own mouth. So who's making shit up here longbobby, 57channels? Or you too?
------------------------------------------------------

Jim_a49 aka yasureoktoo; admitted on a thread by dougiem awhile back, to being a government shill. That was why he deleted his jim_a49 profile and became yasureoktoo.

LOTS of people remember that.

He's not the only one, now is he, eh Shill?

Oh and btw? Zionist denials are worthless. Everyone expects you guys to deny everything and none of you have any credibility. Especially pertaining to 911.


I'll allow yasureoktoo to speak for himself. Oh, and BTW, i'm of pure German descent, dumb ass. So where's your credibility pertaining to 911? Is it in this post or the next one?

8/7/2015 9:09:27 PM  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
Your logic is appalling. You really have no skills in that area at all.



So tell us, what is your reason for being here in this forum and how is it that all 3 1/2 of you shills as well as the occasional shills that pop in from time to time, all agree 100% on how the events unfolded that day of 9/11 and lets not forget that you shills also agree 100% with the official government accounts. Do enlighten us



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