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No, we do not agree. For the simple fact that regardless of whether we're talking about the top sections of the 94 main columns or the main support columns themselves, never in the history of mankind has a demo crew ever attempted to remove steel beams as though they were cutting down a tree.

Your evidence (or a reasonable scenario) of how it was co-conspirators (thermic lance in hand), managed to cut most the way through such large support beams before the WTC collapse without anyone having noticed?



[Edited 9/17/2015 6:14:03 AM ]

9/15/2015 10:49:58 PM  

srv63
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@noclass,

Face it creampuff, you would miss talking with Na so you best apologize because as usual, your clearly in the wrong.

If i'm a f**kwit then so be it, it's a title i can live with. Must suck having your asses handed to ya by a "f**kwit"

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9/15/2015 10:56:02 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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@ noclass,

I believe i completely proved that the column would be impossible to have been cut by the cleanup crews. If i'm wrong then its your job to point out how

9/15/2015 10:56:10 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:

Face it creampuff, you would miss talking with Na so you best apologize because as usual, your clearly in the wrong.

Two assumptions without foundation:

a). No, I don't miss fallacious discussions and I won't.


b). I have nothing to apologise for, and you're just talking shit as usual.



If i'm a f**kwit then so be it, it's a title i can live with.



You wear it well. You should be proud of your limitations!



Must suck having your asses handed to ya by a "f**kwit"



I'll let you know if it ever happens. (F**k me! This is just too easy)




9/15/2015 11:00:20 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:@ noclass,

I believe i completely proved that the column would be impossible to have been cut by the cleanup crews. If i'm wrong then its your job to point out how




Nope, you've just given us your opinion. And that has been shown endlessly to mean three fifths of f**k all.


Are you trying to tell me, that after participating in this thread for 300 pages, and after all the instruction you've received from those who know, you still don't understand how 'proof' works?

Really?

9/15/2015 11:08:40 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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@ noclass,

I believe the proof is in the pudding so look inside them yellow rings of pudding and you will see your PROOF of un-cut steel but instead RIPPED steel. Like i said proof is in the pudding so you best find a way to prove me wrong because until you do, i'm right(with proof) and you shills are wrong



God it feels good to be on the winning team

9/15/2015 11:18:45 PM Baytown, TX  

tragicparrot
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Quote from srv63:
If the column was NOT CUT THRU (as pictured in yellow highlights) by the cleanup crews to remove the top section from the bottom section (pictured), then it would be IMPOSSIBLE to remove the top section but yet the top section sure is not connected anymore so where is it?? The top section is OBVIOUSLY not attached anymore so something removed it so WHAT could possibly snap off the top section of that HUGE column?

Could a large crane do such a thing? Highly unlikely but why would they do such a thing? How many crane operators would go along with such a feat? Answer: 0 . How many crane operators would allow their crane to be tied onto a 50 ton section of steel column measuring 4 feet wide by 3 feet deep and constructed of plate steel 5 inches thick on each wall and that column is cut at a 45 degree angle (like felling a tree)? Answer: 0 crane operators. How many iron workers/welders are going to agree to be the one making the last few inches of the cut on that huge 50 ton column before the crane is able to take on the full 50 ton load? Answer: again 0 . Now tell us shills, how likely could your masters in government be to finding a cleanup crew with a death wish? Would any of you clowns agree to be the one on the other end of that cutting torch to cut the last few inches of that huge steel column? Yeah, i didn't think so either.



FACTS IS the column in the photo is NOT CUT at all four corners and them four corners CLEARLY SHOW EVIDENCE of the metal TEARING which can only mean ONE thing and that is:

It would be IMPOSSIBLE for the cleanup crew to have made that cut because they had no possible way of ripping the top section of column from the bottom section of column (pictured) therefore the ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION is the top section was seperated from the bottom section of column from the shear force of the building coming down on top of it and quite possibly getting help from explosives. Now stick that in your pipe for evidence that you bastards claim we don't have.


Seems to me if the lower section of columns were not cut through, it would be impossible to remove them from ground zero, especially seeings how they remained standing for several hours and even days after the collapse. Anyway you can explain this phenomenon?

9/15/2015 11:28:56 PM Baytown, TX  

longbobby
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9/15/2015 11:31:36 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
I believe the proof is in the pudding so look inside them yellow rings of pudding and you will see your PROOF of un-cut steel but instead RIPPED steel. Like i said proof is in the pudding so you best find a way to prove me wrong because until you do, i'm right(with proof) and you shills are wrong.



Again, because your comprehension is non-existent: You have the burden of proof, and the first step of that burden is to prove it wasn't made by the clean up crews.

Like the fuselage, the primer, and every other claim you've made without proof. Until you can prove your claim it is meaningless, and the null hypothesis will stand.



God it feels good to be on the winning team


How would you know? You've submitted nothing to discredit the accepted version of events. The null hypothesis stands.





[Edited 9/15/2015 11:34:24 PM ]

9/16/2015 12:13:48 AM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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@ Parrot,

So were going to act dumb now parrot, i find that beneath you. What you see in the photo, is all that was left of the main columns at ground zero.The only cutting on them that was required to cleanup the area would be for an iron worker to cut the steel column at its base where it is joined to its concrete foundation or pier at ground level. After cutting the steel columns loose from their concrete piers, the concrete piers would be cut into sections with jackhammers and then lifted out of their anchoring holes then the holes filled in.

Were still back to square one here.If the cleanup crew cut the column at the 45 degree angle, why did they cut it like that since its so dangerous and how did they remove the top portion to the column without cutting completely thru the bottom section (pictured)and the top section?



9/16/2015 12:29:45 AM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:Were still back to square one here.If the cleanup crew cut the column at the 45 degree angle, why did they cut it like that since its so dangerous and how did they remove the top portion to the column without cutting completely thru the bottom section (pictured)and the top section?

I'm curious as well as to why that was cut like so, however, we do not know the circumstances of the operation before the beam was cut. We don't know why it was necessary to do that, but that is no reason to jump to a conclusion of proof of CD. That's a bit of a stretch knowing how little we know about the pic.

It was reported as part of the clean up operation. According to the video I presented, the photographer produced a portfolio of his pics and the one prior is said to have a shot of the thermic lance in use. However, at this point I haven't found it, but I'll keep looking.

On a personal note, did you ever get to see SRV live? Man, I would have loved to have seen him perform. What a player!





[Edited 9/16/2015 12:30:17 AM ]

9/16/2015 1:35:28 AM Baytown, TX  
juma2112
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I saw SRV in 1989 (I believe) in Kansas City.

Absolutely INCREDIBLE!!!
To make things even better the Stray Cats (Brian Setzer) opened for him.



9/16/2015 3:16:53 AM Baytown, TX  
higgy51
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Quote from higgy51:
Okay, so now we need a crew of THIRTY people, minimum THIRTY people working for a week in each of the towers (and I include Buliding 7 in the 30...but if you don't then reduce it to TWENTY)

These 20 or 30 working in the towers for a week, with no-one seeing them, no-one noticing them knocking off the concrete to the columns to lay bare the steel and then cut it to an angle of 45 degrees and how many columns did they cut SRV?

They must have been so precise in cutting (how many did they cut SRV?) these columns just right to make sure that during that week they didn't weaken further and collapse before the big day.


So SRV...JUST HOW MANY COLUMNS DID THEY PRE-CUT AND PLANT EXPLOSIVES AND ON WHAT FLOORS?



What's the matter srv? Questions getting too hard for you?

Is that question just to hard for you to answer srv?

Come on srv, you are the brains of the CT Nutcases (said tongue in cheek of course, ya'll have one brain cell between you) so you must know the answer.

9/16/2015 4:21:10 PM Baytown, TX  

longbobby
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One of the greatest Jewish lies has been that governments are always poorly-oiled machines made up entirely of uneducated, ineffectual dunces. This has led the population into believing that the government is incapable or unwilling to interfere in our lives in any politically substantial way.

They're manipulating and controlling us while fostering the bloated, inefficient stereotype. One of the Jews' greatest tools is allowing themselves to be the butt of jokes in order to fly under the radar. We all look the other way, complacent in the knowledge that only morons are in Washington. High-level Jewish chicanery requires that we see the government as a joke.

9/16/2015 5:19:10 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from juma2112:
I saw SRV in 1989 (I believe) in Kansas City.

Absolutely INCREDIBLE!!!
To make things even better the Stray Cats (Brian Setzer) opened for him.



Damn, that would have been cool. I missed him when he was in town and I thought, 'next time'. There was no next time.

9/16/2015 5:23:29 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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SRV, I'd like to take your query regarding the 45 degree angle cut to the guys at Metabunk. There are scientists and engineers there who might be able to shred some light on the subject.

Could you possibly consider how you'd like it worded before I submit the enquiry? No profanities and it must be a logical enquiry free of bias and emotion.

I'm keen to resolve this issue.

9/16/2015 5:37:09 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from higgy51:
What's the matter srv? Questions getting too hard for you?

Is that question just to hard for you to answer srv?

Come on srv, you are the brains of the CT Nutcases (said tongue in cheek of course, ya'll have one brain cell between you) so you must know the answer.


Your asking me questions only a control demolition expert would know. Are you that desperate? Ask me questions as far as welding and i WILL wipe your a** with it

9/16/2015 5:41:23 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
SRV, I'd like to take your query regarding the 45 degree angle cut to the guys at Metabunk. There are scientists and engineers there who might be able to shred some light on the subject.

Could you possibly consider how you'd like it worded before I submit the enquiry? No profanities and it must be a logical enquiry free of bias and emotion.

I'm keen to resolve this issue.


More power to ya but don't come back with so ridiculous explanations or the egg will be on your face

9/16/2015 5:53:59 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
More power to ya but don't come back with so ridiculous explanations or the egg will be on your face


Trust you to give a stupid response.

AGAIN, THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE IT WORDED. F**k me, it's like pulling teeth on this site.

9/16/2015 5:57:25 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Why can't 9/11 truthers act like normal human beings?

9/16/2015 6:15:29 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
Trust you to give a stupid response.

AGAIN, THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE IT WORDED. F**k me, it's like pulling teeth on this site.


Word it how you like. I'm already poised to rip the responses to shreds so be forewarned that i already know what to expect

9/16/2015 6:16:45 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
Why can't 9/11 truthers act like normal human beings?


Why cant shills be unbias?

9/16/2015 6:36:14 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Word it how you like. I'm already poised to rip the responses to shreds so be forewarned that i already know what to expect


So basically, you're not interested in the truth and you just want to BS your way through whatever the outcome.

At least you admit it. So much for the truth according to 9/1 truth.

9/16/2015 6:36:55 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Why cant shills be unbias?


That statement just drips in irony. Physician, heal thyself.

9/16/2015 7:17:56 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Here is a link to the metabunk thread on SRV's canard. After moderation it will be posted and discussed:

https://www.metabunk.org/the-angle-cut-at-ground-zero-clean-up-or-evidence-ofa-cd.t6826/


"This is my first post so I don't know if this the correct procedure. I've looked through many of the threads but I can't seem to find where the following is addressed. If there is a thread, I apologise for wasting time.

Anyway, I often 'debunk' 9/11 canards on various sites, often at an amateur level, but this one surfaced recently and I'm at a loss to explain it sufficiently.

A follower of 9/11 truth believes the following pic is a 'smoking gun' for a controlled demolition:

pic omitted.

The individual claims that the areas circled in yellow were left uncut in order to 'prep' and facilitate the execution of the collapse.

The columns were supposedly pre-cut to weaken them for when the explosives were deployed.

Are these areas uncut and fractured. Does anyone know about the provenance of the pic? I once read it was the product of a thermic lance, but I can't confirm that notion.



[Edited 9/16/2015 7:20:37 PM ]

9/16/2015 7:32:57 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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The first response:

"All the evidence seems to point to it being cut with a thermic lance during cleanup. It's a column at the base of the building, so there's nothing to be gained from weakening it for a top-down collapse."

And that sums it up. I can't believe we all overlooked that simple point!~

9/16/2015 7:52:06 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
So basically, you're not interested in the truth and you just want to BS your way through whatever the outcome.

At least you admit it. So much for the truth according to 9/1 truth.


You know your statement is bullshit. The name of that site that you suggested taking the question to speake for itself. "Debunk". In other words, no matter how compelling the evidence brought before them morons on that site, they will twist,downplay and attack all strong points that the evidence might have and then claim its ridiculous. As i said before, take this SOLID PROOF to your morons at that site and let them attack/try to shred it, but unless some of them d*ckless wonders have extreme knowledge in metals and welding, be prepared for the responses that you bring back to this column to be torn to shreds because i'm the one to do it, then guess who is left looking like an idiot

9/16/2015 8:02:40 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
The first response:

"All the evidence seems to point to it being cut with a thermic lance during cleanup. It's a column at the base of the building, so there's nothing to be gained from weakening it for a top-down collapse."

And that sums it up. I can't believe we all overlooked that simple point!~


Guess what, this welder has PROOF that a thermic lance or any type of lance could have been used on that cut but lets give more responders time to give their two cents on this subject. Btw, if there was no importance at weakening that column at ground level, explain to me why MANY eyewitnesses testified that explosions were going off on the ground level and in the sub basements of each tower BEFORE they collapsed. Explain the 2 inch thick windows in each towers lobby as well as the walls being broken off. Yes, apparently the weakening of the ground level building support columns were important to eliminate

9/16/2015 8:02:52 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
You know your statement is bullshit. The name of that site that you suggested taking the question to speake for itself. "Debunk". In other words, no matter how compelling the evidence brought before them morons on that site, they will twist,downplay and attack all strong points that the evidence might have and then claim its ridiculous. As i said before, take this SOLID PROOF to your morons at that site and let them attack/try to shred it, but unless some of them d*ckless wonders have extreme knowledge in metals and welding, be prepared for the responses that you bring back to this column to be torn to shreds because i'm the one to do it, then guess who is left looking like an idiot


Well, all that is just bluster of no worth.

Can you tell me how this would be required for a top down collapse?

It doesn't make sense that the supporting columns on the ground needed to be cut in order to induce a top down collapse.

I can see Mick's point and it stands out like a third nut on a greyhound. I can't believe I missed it!

9/16/2015 8:07:00 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Guess what, this welder has PROOF that a thermic lance or any type of lance could have been used on that cut but lets give more responders time to give their two cents on this subject.


Yes, that is what he is saying: "All the evidence seems to point to it being cut with a thermic lance during cleanup."



Btw, if there was no importance at weakening that column at ground level, explain to me why MANY eyewitnesses testified that explosions were going off on the ground level and in the sub basements of each tower BEFORE they collapsed.


Many? Don't you mean Rodriguez? Yes, that's the way it happened for him. The explosion in the basement travelled down the elevator shafts, so he would have felt and heard that before he heard the plane impact (speed of sound etc.)

Explain the 2 inch thick windows in each towers lobby as well as the walls being broken off.



That was the product of the fuel explosion in the elevator shafts.


Yes, apparently the weakening of the ground level building support columns were important to eliminate


No, that has nothing to do with the above claims. I doubt there will be many more responses to that thread as that point of Mick's nailed it shut.



[Edited 9/16/2015 8:09:07 PM ]

9/16/2015 8:13:04 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
Well, all that is just bluster of no worth.

Can you tell me how this would be required for a top down collapse?

It doesn't make sense that the supporting columns on the ground needed to be cut in order to induce a top down collapse.

I can see Mick's point and it stands out like a third nut on a greyhound. I can't believe I missed it!


To answer that question, you must ask yourself after the controlled demolition is all said and done, how high do you want your rubble pile to be? Apparently the perps wanted the rubble pile to be contained inside the "bathtub" of each towers subbasements as much as possible, that way they could control the debris best as it was coming down therefore less likely to strike surrounding building therefore less likely insurance claim adjusters investigating deeper to possibly uncover the truth behind each building collapse. Makes sense to me

9/16/2015 8:16:15 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
No, that has nothing to do with the above claims. I doubt there will be many more responses to that thread as that point of Mick's nailed it shut.


Sorry, typo. I meant to say "Guess what, this welder has PROOF that a thermic lance or any type of lance could NOT have been used on that cut but lets give more responders time to give their two cents on this subject.

9/16/2015 8:29:25 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from noclass,

"No, that has nothing to do with the above claims. I doubt there will be many more responses to that thread as that point of Mick's nailed it shut."

Good luck with nailing it shut with Micks response. Your gonna have to do one hell of alot better than that because this bulldog aint letting go unless you produce worthy explanations and micks explanation is FAR from it.

Notice how mick DID NOT address the uncut corners on that column. Clearly, he is blind or an idiot



[Edited 9/16/2015 8:31:27 PM ]

9/16/2015 8:57:58 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
Quote from noclass,

"No, that has nothing to do with the above claims. I doubt there will be many more responses to that thread as that point of Mick's nailed it shut."

Good luck with nailing it shut with Micks response. Your gonna have to do one hell of alot better than that because this bulldog aint letting go unless you produce worthy explanations and micks explanation is FAR from it.

Notice how mick DID NOT address the uncut corners on that column. Clearly, he is blind or an idiot




He didn't need to address anything else for the logic speaks for itself. There was no need for such a cut for a top down collapse. It's that simple.

That does it for me, as a CD is illogical in so many ways already.

I don't think you can produce anything to counter the logic of his argument. Give it a go, but if it's crap, I will let you know, and why.

Why don't you join Metabunk and teach Mick the error of his ways? Have you the stones?


BS excuse to follow.





[Edited 9/16/2015 8:58:36 PM ]

9/16/2015 9:02:58 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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@ Noclass,

Keep one more thing in mind, the floors at ground level of each tower WERE NOT the bottom floors of each building because each building had like 7 floors under the ground therefore 7 floors beneath the ground surface was where each buildings true base was.To NOT add the ground level main building support columns to the demolition experts "to-rig with explosives list", would be the same as a controlled demolition company rigging up and demolishing a building but yet leaving 7 floors of the building standing. Now how stupid would that be?

The reason why the demolition experts did not prep and sever any of the main columns below ground level (as the one pictured), is because the rest of them main columns below ground level were encased in concrete and impossible to attach explosives or thermite to the steel columns without definitely raising suspicion. This is why the lower most columns being severed were the ones at ground level like the one pictured.

Now add this to your wannabe debunk site and see what them asshats have to say about it. While your at it, ask them f**kin morons why the 4 corners of the pictured column are NOT CUT and how the top portion of the column was removed WITHOUT cutting completely thru the column.



Btw, the degree of the columns cut pictured IS NOT the same as the moronic shill at that site claiming it to be. His is about a 30 degree, the one pictured is clearly at 45 degrees.

Waiting on the side

9/16/2015 9:09:30 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
@ Noclass,

Keep one more thing in mind, the floors at ground level of each tower WERE NOT the bottom floors of each building because each building had like 7 floors under the ground therefore 7 floors beneath the ground surface was where each buildings true base was.To NOT add the ground level main building support columns to the demolition experts "to-rig with explosives list", would be the same as a controlled demolition company rigging up and demolishing a building but yet leaving 7 floors of the building standing. Now how stupid would that be?

The reason why the demolition experts did not prep and sever any of the main columns below ground level (as the one pictured), is because the rest of them main columns below ground level were encased in concrete and impossible to attach explosives or thermite to the steel columns without definitely raising suspicion. This is why the lower most columns being severed were the ones at ground level like the one pictured.

Now add this to your wannabe debunk site and see what them asshats have to say about it. While your at it, ask them f**kin morons why the 4 corners of the pictured column are NOT CUT and how the top portion of the column was removed WITHOUT cutting completely thru the column.



You could join right now and post immediately to explain your point. I'm not your slave, and I'm not posting that shit in my name.

None of that addresses his point. He will respond with, "and?' He will ask you to address the logic and then ask you what you know about the circumstances prior to the cut being made etc. You won't be able to give him an adequate answer, because you couldn't give it to me.

This is just simple logic.

Why would they cut supporting columns at ground level for a top down collapse?

'They wouldn't need to' is the simple answer.



[Edited 9/16/2015 9:11:01 PM ]

9/16/2015 9:11:09 PM Baytown, TX  

tragicparrot
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Quote from srv63:
Quote from noclass,

"No, that has nothing to do with the above claims. I doubt there will be many more responses to that thread as that point of Mick's nailed it shut."

Good luck with nailing it shut with Micks response. Your gonna have to do one hell of alot better than that because this bulldog aint letting go unless you produce worthy explanations and micks explanation is FAR from it.

Notice how mick DID NOT address the uncut corners on that column. Clearly, he is blind or an idiot


Has it ever occurred to you that cutting completely through a large beam then allowing it to simply fall could end up getting someone killed? Has that ever crossed your mind srv?

More regarding your CD theory has been addressed in the link below. A site dedicated to controlled building collapse

http://www.implosionworld.com/wtc.htm

""DID THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS ACTUALLY “IMPLODE”? No. They collapsed in an uncontrolled [emphasis added] fashion, causing extensive damage to surrounding structures, roadways and utilities. Although when viewed from a distance the towers appeared to have telescoped almost straight down, a closer look at video replays reveal sizeable portions of each building breaking free during the collapse, with the largest sections--some as tall as 30 or 40 stories--actually “laying out” in several directions. The outward failure of these sections is believed to have caused much of the significant damage to adjacent structures, and smaller debris caused structural and cosmetic damage to hundreds of additional buildings around the perimeter of the site.

HOW DOES THIS EVENT COMPARE WITH A NORMAL BUILDING IMPLOSION? The only correlation is that in a very broad sense, explosive devices (airplanes loaded with fuel) were used to intentionally bring down buildings. However it can be argued that even this vague similarity relates more to military explosive demolition than to building implosions, which specifically involve the placement of charges at key points within a structure to precipitate the failure of steel or concrete supports within their own footprint. The other primary difference between these two types of operations is that implosions are universally conducted with the utmost concern for adjacent properties and human safety---elements that were horrifically absent from this event. Therefore we can conclude that what happened in New York was not a “building implosion.""

9/16/2015 9:21:43 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
He didn't need to address anything else for the logic speaks for itself. There was no need for such a cut for a top down collapse. It's that simple.

And that makes sense to you why? Since when did you become so educated in controlled demolition as to come to the conclusion that demolishing the lowest 7 floors of a building "were not important?" If i didn't know any better, i would say you don't posses the balls to have that moron shill mick to explain to you why demolishing the last 7 floors of a building are not worth messing with. Better yet, tell the spineless f**kwit to bring his a** to this forum so i can make mince meat out of his moronic ass.I would join that dumb site of peckerwoods with fantasies of logic and common sense but i'm sure the spineless little b*tches would flag me because they couldn't handle the real truth

That does it for me, as a CD is illogical in so many ways already.

If you give in that easily then no wonder your one of the dying minority believing in that retarded nist report. Throw in the towel dumb ass, we don't care

I don't think you can produce anything to counter the logic of his argument. Give it a go, but if it's crap, I will let you know, and why.

I already buried that f**kin morons logic and i still have not used the "big guns" that will sink his little dingy.

Why don't you join Metabunk and teach Mick the error of his ways? Have you the stones?

Your question already answered above.Them punks couldn't handle THIS Truther


BS excuse to follow.



9/16/2015 9:29:15 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
You could join right now and post immediately to explain your point. I'm not your slave, and I'm not posting that shit in my name.

None of that addresses his point. He will respond with, "and?' He will ask you to address the logic and then ask you what you know about the circumstances prior to the cut being made etc. You won't be able to give him an adequate answer, because you couldn't give it to me.

This is just simple logic.

Why would they cut supporting columns at ground level for a top down collapse?

'They wouldn't need to' is the simple answer.


As usual, you ignore my response.Guess what? I really don't care and guess what else? Your debunked

9/16/2015 10:03:22 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from tragicparrot:
Has it ever occurred to you that cutting completely through a large beam then allowing it to simply fall could end up getting someone killed? Has that ever crossed your mind srv?

Your very right.Finally we agree. But are you also aware that cutting a beam or in this case a huge,(heavy as 5 dump trucks) main support column at a 45 degree angle and trying to fell it like a tree is astronomical in danger of possibly killing everyone within a hundred yards? But to remove the top sections of each of the 94 main columns at ground zero, you must cut all the way thru them, or am i wrong? Which is it parrot?

More regarding your CD theory has been addressed in the link below. A site dedicated to controlled building collapse

I will watch it later when i have time but i'm sure you already know that i most likely will make swiss cheese out of it



http://www.implosionworld.com/wtc.htm

""DID THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS ACTUALLY “IMPLODE”? No. They collapsed in an uncontrolled [emphasis added] fashion, causing extensive damage to surrounding structures, roadways and utilities. Although when viewed from a distance the towers appeared to have telescoped almost straight down, a closer look at video replays reveal sizeable portions of each building breaking free during the collapse, with the largest sections--some as tall as 30 or 40 stories--actually “laying out” in several directions. The outward failure of these sections is believed to have caused much of the significant damage to adjacent structures, and smaller debris caused structural and cosmetic damage to hundreds of additional buildings around the perimeter of the site.

HOW DOES THIS EVENT COMPARE WITH A NORMAL BUILDING IMPLOSION? The only correlation is that in a very broad sense, explosive devices (airplanes loaded with fuel) were used to intentionally bring down buildings. However it can be argued that even this vague similarity relates more to military explosive demolition than to building implosions, which specifically involve the placement of charges at key points within a structure to precipitate the failure of steel or concrete supports within their own footprint. The other primary difference between these two types of operations is that implosions are universally conducted with the utmost concern for adjacent properties and human safety---elements that were horrifically absent from this event. Therefore we can conclude that what happened in New York was not a “building implosion.""


9/17/2015 1:03:28 AM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
As usual, you ignore my response.Guess what? I really don't care and guess what else? Your debunked


Guess what? I didn't reply to it because it was inconsequential.

I know you this will be news to you, but this doesn't need any more posts because the answer was given.

There was no need to cut supporting columns for a top down collapse.

I'm debunked? You're a LONG way from doing that I'm afraid.

Just join metabunk and do your own work you lazy f**k. I'm not here to run around for you.

9/17/2015 1:07:28 AM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
And that makes sense to you why?



Because it is obvious.


Since when did you become so educated in controlled demolition as to come to the conclusion that demolishing the lowest 7 floors of a building "were not important?" If i didn't know any better, i would say you don't posses the balls to have that moron shill mick to explain to you why demolishing the last 7 floors of a building are not worth messing with. Better yet, tell the spineless f**kwit to bring his a** to this forum so i can make mince meat out of his moronic ass.I would join that dumb site of peckerwoods with fantasies of logic and common sense but i'm sure the spineless little b*tches would flag me because they couldn't handle the real truth


And there is the usual dumb shit. *YAWN*

If you give in that easily then no wonder your one of the dying minority believing in that retarded nist report. Throw in the towel dumb ass, we don't care


I didn't give in. Did you pull that from your arse, or your boyfriend's? F**k me you straw man worse than nappy. I KNOW CD is illogical nonsense. I knew that 10 years ago. When did you read the NIST report? You're in no position to comment on something you haven't read. LOL


I already buried that f**kin morons logic and i still have not used the "big guns" that will sink his little dingy.


No, you just posted stupid shit. His logic is sound, whereas you make stupid shit up. there's a BIG difference.



Your question already answered above.Them punks couldn't handle THIS Truther



LOLOL. You have an over inflated view of your abilities.



[Edited 9/17/2015 1:09:23 AM ]

9/17/2015 2:36:17 AM Baytown, TX  
higgy51
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Quote from srv63:
Your asking me questions only a control demolition expert would know. Are you that desperate? Ask me questions as far as welding and i WILL wipe your a** with it


Oh, so that is you answer? You DON'T KNOW how many they cut so you have NO EVIDENCE that they were cut prior to 9/11 do you?

Again, all you have is guess work, speculation and no factual evidence.

One would have thought that there would be at least one source for your claim of 20 would be needed to prepare the explosions.

No, but as usual, you have NOTHING factual at all.

Welsding? Yes, you probably would wipe my a** with it, but what does that have to do with my querstion? Oh, of course, yes...a diversionary tactic once again, a deflection, so much your MO isn't it?

There is an estimate that hundreds if not thousands people would be needed to be on the inside, including planted witnesses, to carry out this wonderful inside job you claim, yet NOT ONE have come forward...strange isn't it?

You believe the word of ONE man about a timeframe, ignoring the FACTS presented by YOUR OWN SIDE as to when Mr. Jennings was out of the Towers, you call YOUR OWN PEOPLE liars and shills even whern they have proven to you that Jennings had to be out of the building due to a LIVE news broadcast on air at the time.

You srv, are not only incredibly stupid, but also the most illogical person (no, sorry, that title goes to 57) I have ever had the displeasure of debating (sorry, debating and srv is an oxymoron) with.

You are asked questions, simple and logical ones about that day, like the lightpoles at the Pentagon and you cannot even answer them, your lack of logical thought prevents you from doing so.

You, srv, in short are nothing more than a total moron, blinded by your hatred for Jewish people and the inabilility to sit back and think. You cannot even agree with your fellow nutcases where you said they were planting evidence and the others say picking it up and making it a crime. You say a plane did hit the Towers, another one say's no planes flew.

Incredible and to be honest, you are not worth my time or anyone's time.

9/17/2015 2:43:27 AM Baytown, TX  
higgy51
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Quote from class5:
The first response:

"All the evidence seems to point to it being cut with a thermic lance during cleanup. It's a column at the base of the building, so there's nothing to be gained from weakening it for a top-down collapse."

And that sums it up. I can't believe we all overlooked that simple point!~



Well Done 'cobber'.

SRV will now claim your source to be shills and not experts.

His response will be wonderous.

9/17/2015 4:45:11 AM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from higgy51:
Well Done 'cobber'.

SRV will now claim your source to be shills and not experts.

His response will be wonderous.


Hi Higgy! And thanks. I can't believe I overlooked such an obvious point! The trees got in the way of the forest I think. LOL

Oh, and his response was......invective and some other shit.

9/17/2015 5:34:53 AM Baytown, TX  

class5
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The following gif demonstrates how many columns were cut or damaged by the impact on 2WTC:



We can also see that much of the wreckage collected in the top right corner. This is precisely the area were a fire flare up caused molten metal to drip from the tower.




It's looking pretty grim for the 'thermite induced collapse' hypothesis.



[Edited 9/17/2015 5:36:05 AM ]

9/17/2015 6:12:36 AM Baytown, TX  

tragicparrot
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Quote from srv63:
Your very right.Finally we agree. But are you also aware that cutting a beam or in this case a huge,(heavy as 5 dump trucks) main support column at a 45 degree angle and trying to fell it like a tree is astronomical in danger of possibly killing everyone within a hundred yards? But to remove the top sections of each of the 94 main columns at ground zero, you must cut all the way thru them, or am i wrong? Which is it parrot?
9/17/2015 8:15:54 AM Baytown, TX  

naprinciple
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9/11 - Echoes of Darkness [Mini-documentary]
https://youtu.be/5PY_qM28rnA

Published on Sep 11, 2013

The powers that be shredded the constitution and took you into a series of wars that have left countless civilians dead based on this event.

9/17/2015 8:41:11 AM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from class5:
Hi Higgy! And thanks. I can't believe I overlooked such an obvious point! The trees got in the way of the forest I think. LOL

Oh, and his response was......invective and some other shit.


And what qualifications did your genius shill buddy show you to confirm that he's an authority on controlled demolition therefore giving his response merit? Oh what's that,he works at McDonald's as a dishwasher? Why am I not surprised at your level of ignorance

9/17/2015 9:26:27 AM Baytown, TX  
higgy51
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Quote from srv63:


The reason why the demolition experts did not prep and sever any of the main columns below ground level (as the one pictured), is because the rest of them main columns below ground level were encased in concrete and impossible to attach explosives or thermite to the steel columns without definitely raising suspicion. This is why the lower most columns being severed were the ones at ground level like the one pictured.


Let me get this straight.

The 20 man crew you suggested would be needed to sever the columns and plant the explosives were done above and at ground level?

No-one was suspicious about these men cutting the beams at a 30 (or 45) degree angle and leaving them cut like that and then leaving explosives planted for a FULL WEEK?

They worked there for a week, cutting columns (that would have to have had the outer casing removed to display the steel so that they could cut it) and then leaving the cuts then they planted the explosives and no-one saw them or bothered them?



Batshit crazy.

9/17/2015 4:42:25 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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Quote from higgy51:
Let me get this straight.

The 20 man crew you suggested would be needed to sever the columns and plant the explosives were done above and at ground level?

No-one was suspicious about these men cutting the beams at a 30 (or 45) degree angle and leaving them cut like that and then leaving explosives planted for a FULL WEEK?

They worked there for a week, cutting columns (that would have to have had the outer casing removed to display the steel so that they could cut it) and then leaving the cuts then they planted the explosives and no-one saw them or bothered them?



Batshit crazy.


The demo experts didn't have to cut the damn columns dim-wit.The thermite and explosives did the cutting.HALF of each tower was vacant so yeah, the demo experts had plenty of privacy to do their jobs rigging the columns with explosives and if anyone did get too nosey, the bush's security thugs would have the nosey ones fitted with a cement brick necktie and fed to the fish.How many times do you need to hear this? Senile much?

9/17/2015 4:47:11 PM Baytown, TX  
hallucis
Troy, NY
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Srv36. Instead of countering questions posed to you, why don't you just layout your version of the events of 9/11? Whatever they may be. Let's hear it. From start to finish they way you believe events unfolded.

9/17/2015 4:49:02 PM Baytown, TX  

srv63
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@ Naprincipe,

Have you been getting flagged lately and found that your posts have to be reviewed first before posted? If one of these little b*tches start flagging anyone of us, i'm going to start flagging every damn post from these spineless shills until they find it impossible to post their shit. Is that what you asshats want?

9/17/2015 4:50:24 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
And what qualifications did your genius shill buddy show you to confirm that he's an authority on controlled demolition therefore giving his response merit? Oh what's that,he works at McDonald's as a dishwasher? Why am I not surprised at your level of ignorance


More bullshit. The logic behind his statement doesn't need qualifications as it is blatantly obvious.

Controlled demolition on 9/11 is ridiculous.

CD is impractical, illogical, irrational and logistically implausible.

Only fools believe such a ridiculous scenario.



[Edited 9/17/2015 4:53:03 PM ]

9/17/2015 4:54:31 PM Baytown, TX  

class5
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Quote from srv63:
The demo experts didn't have to cut the damn columns dim-wit.The thermite and explosives did the cutting.HALF of each tower was vacant so yeah, the demo experts had plenty of privacy to do their jobs rigging the columns with explosives and if anyone did get too nosey, the bush's security thugs would have the nosey ones fitted with a cement brick necktie and fed to the fish.How many times do you need to hear this? Senile much?


That was nothing but unfounded conjecture.



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