9/15/2015 5:09:21 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Spoken like a true puppet. You clowns might be able to get away with the plane crap hitting the twin towers but your royally f*ked trying to get us to buy into your plane theory at the pentacon and shanksville.Don't make yourself look more stupid than you already have by trying to sell us on planes in shanksville and the pentacon because even you bought off whres know better. That had nothing to do with my post. Shut up D*ckhead. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
9/15/2015 5:11:29 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: It tells me you're an idiot because I posted where the pilot said he was doing 350 knots. You continually make a fool of yourself because you don't fking read what is in front of you. You fkin idiot, gonna believe someones word but yet not believe your own eyes? No wonder your dumb a** is on the opposite side of the fence here, your an idiot
9/15/2015 5:12:55 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: You fkin idiot, gonna believe someones word but yet not believe your own eyes? No wonder your dumb a is on the opposite side of the fence here, your an idiot Shut up D*ckhead. Try to address the evidence for a change, troll. The fact that you, and the others don't just tells me you can't. But I already knew that. You guys flounder in a sea of ignorance attacking all those who disagree with straw men and ad homs. Pathetic. [Edited 9/15/2015 5:14:54 PM ]
9/15/2015 5:19:12 PM
naprinciple West Plains, MO 46, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from class5: You use ad hominem and straw men continually without ever really focussing on the topic. It's more 'trolling' than debating from you. Try to lift your game a little, you CAN do it. ============= Quote from class5: Bible? Jews? Shut up Dckhead! You only make yourself look more stupid with every post. =============== Quote from class5: That had nothing to do with my post. Shut up Dckhead. ================ Quote from class5: Shut up Dckhead. Try to address the evidence for a change, troll. The fact that you, and the others don't just tells me you can't. But I already knew that. You guys flounder in a sea of ignorance attacking all those who disagree with straw men and ad homs. Pathetic. ***************************** Do you really have a problem with ad hominems?** I can't make this shit up. Please specify my use of fallacies, as I have yours
9/15/2015 5:22:03 PM
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	I guess we are all suppose to believe 9-11 was a terrorist attack. Doesnt such an attack call for as many deaths or casualties as possible?? A real terrorist attack!!! Why didnt the so-called terrorists storm both towers with machine guns and AK 47s or whatever and kill as man as possible. Then throw some dynamite or other bombs up on the 8th floor stairwells so 2500 people couldn't escape out those stairwells?? I mean....it was a suicide mission wasn't it?? I guess they forgot huh??? OR.......maybe we are supposed to thank the perps for letting the 2500 or whatever escape out the stairwells huh??
9/15/2015 5:27:54 PM
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	How about you A** I mean cl-ASS........why don't you write the letter? You do care a little about those people who did escape don't you???? I'll give you a head start here: Dear D*ck Cheney, Bob Mueller, George Tenet, Don Rumsfeld, George W Bush, George H Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Mossad, ect.ect. Thank you so much for letting those people escape out the stairwells, but you bastards are still guilty of High Treason and mass murder.............finish the letter cl-ASS
9/15/2015 5:29:47 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from naprinciple: Do you really have a problem with ad hominems? I give what I get in kind. But you knew that. I don't consider the arguments of SRV and 57 to have any merit and they are nothing but trolls, so I treat them with the contempt they've earned. Please specify my use of fallacies, as I have yours Revise every exchange between you and I in this thread over the last couple of days. You have built straw men with nearly every response and your style is built upon ad hominem. You do not address the evidence. You avoid the issue and divert with the above mentioned tactics, and it is quite obvious. You focus on me continually without focussing on the evidence or the argument. Just revise your own posts, put your bias away, and use critical thinking instead of knee-jerk replies. For instance, instead of bleating on about the straw man in the post where you fallaciously asked why I consider my sources above reproach, you should have replied to the evidence. But you can't, and ad hom is all you have in your arsenal. I can see that, and you're not the first to delve down to that level. It's common among 9/11 truth. Now, what do you think of Kevin Beachy's point? He was a test pilot in the usaf, therefore he knows how to fly. He didn't have a problem with the ATC recording 510 knots. Why do you? Come on, actually DO something instead of braying fallacies. [Edited 9/15/2015 5:31:46 PM ]
9/15/2015 5:34:21 PM
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	cl-ASS You want some more do you?? I'll give you some more. One of the biggest perps of 9-11.........Richard Myers that military piece of shit who should be in the hardest prison in Gitmo Bay. Lucky Larry Silverstein, Ben Chertoff, Michael Chertoff, Philip Zelikow, Dov Zakheuim, the 10 handpicked traitors who made up the phony a** 9-11 Commission [ bought and paid for puppets ] who cried they couldnt do their job [ as if they didnt KNOW the fix was in....the bastards ]
9/15/2015 5:35:53 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from 57channels: cl-ASS You want some more do you?? I'll give you some more. One of the biggest perps of 9-11.........Richard Myers that military piece of shit who should be in the hardest prison in Gitmo Bay. Lucky Larry Silverstein, Ben Chertoff, Michael Chertoff, Philip Zelikow, Dov Zakheuim, the 10 handpicked traitors who made up the phony a** 9-11 Commission [ bought and paid for puppets ] who cried they couldnt do their job [ as if they didnt KNOW the fix was in....the bastards ] And? Can you articulate that into a point?
9/15/2015 5:36:14 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Shut up Dckhead. Try to address the evidence for a change, troll. The fact that you, and the others don't just tells me you can't. But I already knew that. You guys flounder in a sea of ignorance attacking all those who disagree with straw men and ad homs. Pathetic. I been doing nothing but addressing the evidence. Your the worn out dildo spewing nothing but strawman bullshit from the script your required to read which is called the nist report. If your fking nist report didn't have so many HUGE f*king holes in it, we all would not be debating here. Come to think of it, this is not a debate. de·bate d?'bat/ noun 1. a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward. synonyms: discussion, discourse, parley, dialogue; More verb 1. argue about (a subject), especially in a formal manner. "the board debated his proposal" synonyms: discuss, talk over/through, talk about, thrash out, hash out, argue, dispute; More A debate is between two people or parties,debating their different views. Here we Truthers are debating against brain dead robots with no personal input, only what they read from a script. That is not debating. Since you worthless shills are really not needed here, leave and leave your book of bullshit (nist) behind so we can debate against it instead
9/15/2015 5:39:11 PM
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	Want some more cl-ASS???? Okay.....how about the Mossad celebrating the towers burning on top of a van. The phony a** art students who wired the inside of all 3 towers [ most likely with the help of the FBI ] The Mossad who were in a van full of explosives gonna blow up the George Washington Bridge. Oh....my oh my........the Naudet brothers who filmed the north tower explosion after the missile or orb hit it---went to the lab and added a fuzzy image of a fkn plane Flight 11------which didnt even take off that day
9/15/2015 5:40:12 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: I been doing nothing but addressing the evidence. A lie. Most of your posts are just attacks. You are a liar and everyone can see that. You just make claims without supporting evidence and all your posts a littered with diatribes, insults and lies. You have no credibility and I wouldn't believe a word you say. From the very beginning of this thread you have refused to supply supporting evidence for your claims. Why do you think Higgy has virtually given up on this thread? It is because the truthers here are nothing but trolls and cannot discuss a subject without all the extraneous noise.
9/15/2015 5:41:36 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from 57channels: Want some more cl-ASS???? Okay.....how about the Mossad celebrating the towers burning on top of a van. The phony a** art students who wired the inside of all 3 towers [ most likely with the help of the FBI ] The Mossad who were in a van full of explosives gonna blow up the George Washington Bridge. Oh....my oh my........the Naudet brothers who filmed the north tower explosion after the missile or orb hit it---went to the lab and added a fuzzy image of a fkn plane Flight 11------which didnt even take off that day Can you articulate that into a point that makes sense?
9/15/2015 5:49:42 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: de·bate d?'bat/ noun 1. a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward. synonyms: discussion, discourse, parley, dialogue; More verb The word 'formal' is key here.
9/15/2015 5:52:47 PM
naprinciple West Plains, MO 46, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from class5: Revise every exchange between you and I in this thread over the last couple of days. You have built straw men with nearly every response and your style is built upon ad hominem. You do not address the evidence. You avoid the issue and divert with the above mentioned tactics, and it is quite obvious. You focus on me continually without focussing on the evidence or the argument. Just revise your own posts, put your bias away, and use critical thinking instead of knee-jerk replies. For instance, instead of bleating on about the straw man in the post where you fallaciously asked why I consider my sources above reproach, you should have replied to the evidence. But you can't, and ad hom is all you have in your arsenal. I can see that, and you're not the first to delve down to that level. It's common among 9/11 truth. Now, what do you think of Kevin Beachy's point? He was a test pilot in the usaf, therefore he knows how to fly. He didn't have a problem with the ATC recording 510 knots. Why do you? Come on, actually DO something instead of braying fallacies. ******************** So no specificity on my fallacies, and other people's lack of logic makes you abuse logic If I'm mistaken in my summery, please set the record straight
9/15/2015 5:53:14 PM
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	cl-ASS Can you articulate that into a point that makes sense? =========================================== Of course I can. All those people I listed are guilty of High Treason and mass murder, and some of us are really pissed that they are gonna get away with it.
9/15/2015 5:54:06 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: A lie. Most of your posts are just attacks. You are a liar and everyone can see that. You just make claims without supporting evidence and all your posts a littered with diatribes, insults and lies. You have no credibility and I wouldn't believe a word you say. From the very beginning of this thread you have refused to supply supporting evidence for your claims. Why do you think Higgy has virtually given up on this thread? It is because the truthers here are nothing but trolls and cannot discuss a subject without all the extraneous noise. Let that puppet higgy leave, good riddance since he has no common sense of his own. Most likely a lying piece of shit living in israhell teaching little jew brats how to strap their explosives to their chests the right way or teaching the young jew girls how to bow down to that jew god and accept molestation.Lord knows, jews are too spineless of little pricks to fight their own wars, sneaky bastards sucker other fools to fight their battles for them.
9/15/2015 5:59:40 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from naprinciple: So no specificity on my fallacies, and other people's lack of logic makes you abuse logic No, I don't have to quote mine, as your posts are all the testimony I need and it is there for all to see. In addition, I do not abuse logic because I'm not making an argument with SRV. Of course you knew that. It is telling that you omitted the rest of the post. If I'm mistaken in my summery, please set the record straight Your summary is superficial, and failed to include much of the material (as usual). [Edited 9/15/2015 6:02:07 PM ]
9/15/2015 6:03:37 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Here it is again: "Revise every exchange between you and I in this thread over the last couple of days. A). You have built straw men with nearly every response and your style is built upon ad hominem. B). You do not address the evidence. You avoid the issue and divert with the above mentioned tactics, and it is quite obvious. C). You focus on me continually without focussing on the evidence or the argument. Just revise your own posts, put your bias away, and use critical thinking instead of knee-jerk replies. For instance, instead of bleating on about the straw man in the post where you fallaciously asked why I consider my sources above reproach, you should have replied to the evidence. But you can't, and ad hom is all you have in your arsenal. I can see that, and you're not the first to delve down to that level. It's common among 9/11 truth. Now, what do you think of Kevin Beachy's point? He was a test pilot in the usaf, therefore he knows how to fly. He didn't have a problem with the ATC recording 510 knots. Why do you? Come on, actually DO something instead of braying fallacies. " [Edited 9/15/2015 6:04:02 PM ]
9/15/2015 6:05:13 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Let that puppet higgy leave, good riddance since he has no common sense of his own. Most likely a lying piece of shit living in israhell teaching little jew brats how to strap their explosives to their chests the right way or teaching the young jew girls how to bow down to that jew god and accept molestation.Lord knows, jews are too spineless of little pricks to fight their own wars, sneaky bastards sucker other fools to fight their battles for them. This is the kind of empty diatribe that I label 'noise'. It means absolutely nothing and does not allow the debate to proceed in an orderly fashion.
9/15/2015 6:05:48 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from 57channels: cl-ASS Can you articulate that into a point that makes sense? =========================================== Of course I can. All those people I listed are guilty of High Treason and mass murder, and some of us are really pissed that they are gonna get away with it. Don't be believing that bullshit 57, all we need to get this ball rolling is a good dose of hard times and you will be surprised what pops up. Thanks to the jews, i believe a dose of hard times is on its way
9/15/2015 6:13:33 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Don't be believing that bullshit 57, all we need to get this ball rolling is a good dose of hard times and you will be surprised what pops up. Thanks to the jews, i believe a dose of hard times is on its way Why have you adopted such anti-Semitic views recently? You didn't evince that in earlier threads. Surely you don't believe Fun's nonsense? I thought you were a little above that.
9/15/2015 6:27:15 PM
naprinciple West Plains, MO 46, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from class5: Here it is again: "Revise every exchange between you and I in this thread over the last couple of days. A). You have built straw men with nearly every response and your style is built upon ad hominem. B). You do not address the evidence. You avoid the issue and divert with the above mentioned tactics, and it is quite obvious. C). You focus on me continually without focussing on the evidence or the argument. Just revise your own posts, put your bias away, and use critical thinking instead of knee-jerk replies. For instance, instead of bleating on about the straw man in the post where you fallaciously asked why I consider my sources above reproach, you should have replied to the evidence. But you can't, and ad hom is all you have in your arsenal. I can see that, and you're not the first to delve down to that level. It's common among 9/11 truth. Now, what do you think of Kevin Beachy's point? He was a test pilot in the usaf, therefore he knows how to fly. He didn't have a problem with the ATC recording 510 knots. Why do you? Come on, actually DO something instead of braying fallacies. " ************************************** I already pointed out an example of how your sources are above reproach and how others sources are suspect with this quote. Quote from class5: This video alone puts all Rob Balsamo's (Pilots for Truth) nonsense to bed: https://youtu.be/Uiv6UvYnf3s The fact that the video in question didn't refute anything, which I pointed out, didn't change your narrative one bit either. In fact this very post proves my point: Quote from class5: Now, what do you think of Kevin Beachy's point? He was a test pilot in the usaf, therefore he knows how to fly. He didn't have a problem with the ATC recording 510 knots. Why do you? We are expected to take this one person's word, due to the fact that he's an experienced USAF pilot, as a refutation of scores of pilots, some of equal and greater experience, with pilots for truth. Can you see how I might think you disingenuous? I don't think I use fallacies to make my point, so when you accuse me, please provide proof with specificity. If no proof is provided, it's just an ad hominem, which I'm not likely to continue to put up with
9/15/2015 7:13:19 PM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from naprinciple: I wonder why the words from Class's sources are above reproach, while the words from sources that disagree are ridiculous? Likewise, I wonder what makes the words posted by truthers above reproach whenever anyone else questions their ridiculousness? So, according to the OP(funwith), srv, 57, longb, as well as yourself, am I clear to understand that on September 11, 2001: Muslim terrorists did not attack the Unites States. No planes, or at least none you know of, were hijacked in mid-flight or flown into two skyscrapers at the World Trade Center in New York City. No buildings caught on fire and collapsed in NY. No plane was flown into the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. No plane crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Sorry, but given the insurmountable evidence provided by class5, along with the use of my own better judgement upon reviewing numerous sources on either side of the fence, i'm calling bullshit on every single one of these claims. Guess we'll just have to start over again. Obviously, the first step to any serious discussion about the causes behind not accepting alternative theories, is to prove that the accepted ones (such as NIST or Popular Mechanics) aren't valid. Any chance naprinciple you could share with everyone a bit of solid evidence that might do this?
9/15/2015 7:31:28 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Why have you adopted such anti-Semitic views recently? You didn't evince that in earlier threads. Surely you don't believe Fun's nonsense? I thought you were a little above that. I'm starting to realise that every single evil thing that happens to my country, a f**kin jew is always benefiting . Why is that?
9/15/2015 7:32:41 PM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: I'm starting to realise that every single evil thing that happens to my country, a f**kin jew is always benefiting . Why is that? Paranoia?
9/15/2015 7:42:32 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from naprinciple: I already pointed out an example of how your sources are above reproach and how others sources are suspect with this quote. Quote from class5: This video alone puts all Rob Balsamo's (Pilots for Truth) nonsense to bed: https://youtu.be/Uiv6UvYnf3s The fact that the video in question didn't refute anything, which I pointed out, didn't change your narrative one bit either. If you read the following posts you would realise that I did. The video DID refute the claim that 757's and 767's CAN fly at speed at ground level. Do you actually read what I post? In fact this very post proves my point: Quote from class5: Now, what do you think of Kevin Beachy's point? He was a test pilot in the usaf, therefore he knows how to fly. He didn't have a problem with the ATC recording 510 knots. Why do you? We are expected to take this one person's word, due to the fact that he's an experienced USAF pilot, as a refutation of scores of pilots, What 'scores of pilots'? An unsupported claim therefore I'm not buying it. You failed to notice the air traffic controllers recording the air speed of 510 knots-THAT was Kevbin's point and that has been verified repeatedly, and you should be aware of it if you're discussing this subject. His point is valid, and you (again) have failed to address it. some of equal and greater experience, with pilots for truth. Can you see how I might think you disingenuous? It would be infantile if you did. You are arguing from authority without actually addressing the point. I don't think I use fallacies to make my point, so when you accuse me, please provide proof with specificity. Your posts are all the proof anyone needs and if you don't possess the self-awareness to notice you continually straw man and direct your argument to me personally page after page, then I can't help you. If no proof is provided, it's just an ad hominem, which I'm not likely to continue to put up with Your posts attest to my claims, therefore the evidence is throughout the thread. If you cannot understand that point, I don't care if you 'put up with it' or not, because I'm sick of the low level tactics you and others employ just to stall the conversation. "The object of conspiracy rhetoric is to bog down the discussion and not reach a conclusion." You're the master of this. [Edited 9/15/2015 7:45:14 PM ]
9/15/2015 7:43:32 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)
9/15/2015 7:47:14 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from tragicparrot: Likewise, I wonder what makes the words posted by truthers above reproach whenever anyone else questions their ridiculousness? So, according to the OP(funwith), srv, 57, longb, as well as yourself, am I clear to understand that on September 11, 2001: Muslim terrorists did not attack the Unites States. No planes, or at least none you know of, were hijacked in mid-flight or flown into two skyscrapers at the World Trade Center in New York City. No buildings caught on fire and collapsed in NY. No plane was flown into the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. No plane crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Sorry, but given the insurmountable evidence provided by class5, along with the use of my own better judgement upon reviewing numerous sources on either side of the fence, i'm calling bullshit on every single one of these claims. Guess we'll just have to start over again. Obviously, the first step to any serious discussion about the causes behind not accepting alternative theories, is to prove that the accepted ones (such as NIST or Popular Mechanics) aren't valid. Any chance naprinciple you could share with everyone a bit of solid evidence that might do this? Hear, hear. Thank you!
9/15/2015 7:48:52 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	E.T.A. my penultimate post should read: " The video DID refute the claim that 757's and 767's CAN'T fly at speed at ground level. "
9/15/2015 7:50:04 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: Likewise, I wonder what makes the words posted by truthers above reproach whenever anyone else questions their ridiculousness? So, according to the OP(funwith), srv, 57, longb, as well as yourself, am I clear to understand that on September 11, 2001: Muslim terrorists did not attack the Unites States. No planes, or at least none you know of, were hijacked in mid-flight or flown into two skyscrapers at the World Trade Center in New York City. No buildings caught on fire and collapsed in NY. No plane was flown into the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. No plane crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Sorry, but given the insurmountable evidence provided by class5, along with the use of my own better judgement upon reviewing numerous sources on either side of the fence, i'm calling bullshit on every single one of these claims. Guess we'll just have to start over again. Obviously, the first step to any serious discussion about the causes behind not accepting alternative theories, is to prove that the accepted ones (such as NIST or Popular Mechanics) aren't valid. Any chance naprinciple you could share with everyone a bit of solid evidence that might do this? Here's one for you. Explain it away. I bet you can't.
9/15/2015 7:51:05 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Been done. Prove it wasn't made by first responders. You forget that step every time.
9/15/2015 7:53:49 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: E.T.A. my penultimate post should read: " The video DID refute the claim that 757's and 767's CAN'T fly at speed at ground level. " Do you have proof that that plane was flying even over 200 miles per hour? Yeah, i didn't think so. Fail again
9/15/2015 7:58:07 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Do you have proof that that plane was flying even over 200 miles per hour? Yeah, i didn't think so. Fail again I posted the letter from the pilot who flew the plane and he said he flew it at 350 knots. It has nothing to do with 9/11, he was just doing a fly-by demonstration for the NZAF: "I was the captain of that particular shot, filmed during a Squadron open-day a couple of years ago. It's part of a routine that has been performed over thirty times at various airshows and practices around the world including RIAT Fairford 2003, Kemble 2006, RAF Waddington 2006, Warbirds Over Wanaka 2004, Avalon 2005. The low pass is flown into wind at 350 knots (indicated) and 100 feet above the runway. It's a 2g pull up to between 45 and 55 degrees nose up pitch (although there has been higher) and the zoom climb ends at an altitude between 8000 and 10000 feet depending on the type of pull up used. The sequence does not end with a loop as some of the readers speculate, but in fact with a 60 degree wingover at around 220 knots. It is easily possible to enhance this maneouver with a steeper climb and bank but there is no need - it is spectacular already, and safe. The aircraft is NZ7572 (formerly PH-TKB of Transavia) and it's sister ship, NZ7571, is seen in the foreground of the video shot. Both aircraft are operated by 40 Squadron at Royal New Zealand Air Force Base Whenuapai in Auckland, New Zealand. It is a B757-2k2 with RB211-E4 engines, shortly to become E4Bs. Feel free to post this information if you so desire. If you want more details, I can provide. I can also pass you more videos of other maneovers we have done but I am a little busy right now and need some time to convert them to MPEG. I have attached a shot of the same aircraft involved with a formation practice for a London flyover with 3 Typhoons taken in November this year, as well as a quick shot taken from inside the B757 at the same time. Regards, Tony Davies." This is what happens when people focus on anything but the argument. The evidence is buried and I suspect that is the motive most of the time.
9/15/2015 7:58:10 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Been done. Prove it wasn't made by first responders. You forget that step every time. Dumb fk, even with that fancy word education that your momma paid for, she needs to demand her money back because the crooks in that school forgot to teach you common sense. Look closely inside the yellow highlighted areas dumb shit and you might be able to see that ALL 4 CORNERS OF THE BEAM WERE NOT CUT!!!!!. How in the fk did the cleanup crew remove the top section from that column GENIUS????????????????????????
9/15/2015 8:02:41 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: I posted the letter from the pilot who flew the plane and he said he flew it at 350 knots. It has nothing to do with 9/11, he was just doing a fly-by demonstration for the NZAF: "I was the captain of that particular shot, filmed during a Squadron open-day a couple of years ago. It's part of a routine that has been performed over thirty times at various airshows and practices around the world including RIAT Fairford 2003, Kemble 2006, RAF Waddington 2006, Warbirds Over Wanaka 2004, Avalon 2005. The low pass is flown into wind at 350 knots (indicated) and 100 feet above the runway. It's a 2g pull up to between 45 and 55 degrees nose up pitch (although there has been higher) and the zoom climb ends at an altitude between 8000 and 10000 feet depending on the type of pull up used. The sequence does not end with a loop as some of the readers speculate, but in fact with a 60 degree wingover at around 220 knots. It is easily possible to enhance this maneouver with a steeper climb and bank but there is no need - it is spectacular already, and safe. The aircraft is NZ7572 (formerly PH-TKB of Transavia) and it's sister ship, NZ7571, is seen in the foreground of the video shot. Both aircraft are operated by 40 Squadron at Royal New Zealand Air Force Base Whenuapai in Auckland, New Zealand. It is a B757-2k2 with RB211-E4 engines, shortly to become E4Bs. Feel free to post this information if you so desire. If you want more details, I can provide. I can also pass you more videos of other maneovers we have done but I am a little busy right now and need some time to convert them to MPEG. I have attached a shot of the same aircraft involved with a formation practice for a London flyover with 3 Typhoons taken in November this year, as well as a quick shot taken from inside the B757 at the same time. Regards, Tony Davies." This is what happens when people focus on anything but the argument. The evidence is buried and I suspect that is the motive most of the time. Now i ask you, if you were to put your thinking cap on which i hope included using common sense, judging from that video that you posted of that dude who supposedly flew the plane in the video, do you see that plane going around 350 miles per hour?
9/15/2015 8:02:56 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Dumb fk, even with that fancy word education that your momma paid for, she needs to demand her money back because the crooks in that school forgot to teach you common sense. So, nappy, this is what I get with every post from this clown. I suppose you sanction this lowbrow behaviour just because he is a truther. So don't come your shit with me on this. Look closely inside the yellow highlighted areas dumb shit and you might be able to see that ALL 4 CORNERS OF THE BEAM WERE NOT CUT!!!!!. How in the fk did the cleanup crew remove the top section from that column GENIUS???????????????????????? And? You don't know the circumstances of the shot other than it is the clean up crew. You do not have any information as to why the did what they did, therefore, all you have is idle speculation. Sorry, it is not 'evidence' of anything even if it wasn't cut all the way through. 9/11 truth has abandoned this one and yet you cling to it like a life raft.
9/15/2015 8:06:14 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Now i ask you, if you were to put your thinking cap on which i hope included using common sense, judging from that video that you posted of that dude who supposedly flew the plane in the video, do you see that plane going around 350 miles per hour? 350 KNOTS. The engines are flat out and the pilot stated that he flew it at 350 knots. Disprove it. I'm not interested in opinion, they're like arseholes-everyone's got one. Disprove it.
9/15/2015 8:14:48 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: And? You don't know the circumstances of the shot other than it is the clean up crew. You do not have any information as to why the did what they did, therefore, all you have is idle speculation. Sorry, it is not 'evidence' of anything even if it wasn't cut all the way through. 9/11 truth has abandoned this one and yet you cling to it like a life raft. I don't think 9/11 truth has any welders in its members because if they did, the welders would be all over that photo like stink on a skunk. THAT SIR photo IS THE F**KIN SMOKING GUN!!!!! You robots can spew whatever horseshit you like that your able to pull out of that book of lies called nist but i assure you, NOTHING could have caused that column to snap off from its top section except SHEER FORCE!!!!!
9/15/2015 8:17:55 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: 350 KNOTS. The engines are flat out and the pilot stated that he flew it at 350 knots. Disprove it. I'm not interested in opinion, they're like arseholes-everyone's got one. Disprove it. Hey robot, i asked for YOUR OPINION or do you even possess one?
9/15/2015 8:25:46 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: I don't think 9/11 truth has any welders in its members because if they did, the welders would be all over that photo like stink on a skunk. THAT SIR photo IS THE F**KIN SMOKING GUN!!!!! You robots can spew whatever horseshit you like that your able to pull out of that book of lies called nist but i assure you, NOTHING could have caused that column to snap off from its top section except SHEER FORCE!!!!! Whatever Dude, if you can't prove it you have to revise your stance perhaps? Your opinion is of no value.
9/15/2015 8:29:59 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63:Hey robot, i asked for YOUR OPINION or do you even possess one? My opinion is evidence based, not emotional, and I consider objectivity to be the ideal. The pilot stated 350 knots; the engines are obviously flat out; it is clear that 757's and 767's can operate fully at sea level. So? That is my opinion and that will suffice for you. Idle speculation is your dept., not mine. I don't have confirmation bias that requires feeding. Disprove it. It's that simple (fk me, how many times have I posted that to you?). I don't want sophistry, diversions, attacks upon me or any other evasion. Just fking do it!!!
9/15/2015 8:39:09 PM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63:[/quote header] Were still waiting shill on how that cleanup crew at ground zero removed the top section of that column from the bottom section with the 45 degree cut in the photo without cutting completely thru it.How did they pull that off,with magic? You sound real confident and sure of yourself in last posts so answering this question should be no problem for ya. Answer my question or i will have to join 9/11 truth and see what they have to say about it as well as answer my other questions that you failures lack answering. To this... Quote from srv63:[/quote header] I don't think 9/11 truth has any welders in its members because if they did, the welders would be all over that photo like stink on a skunk. THAT SIR photo IS THE FKIN SMOKING GUN!!!!! You robots can spew whatever horseshit you like that your able to pull out of that book of lies called nist but i assure you, NOTHING could have caused that column to snap off from its top section except SHEER FORCE!!!!! So much for your previous threat eh? Please provide evidence the column or columns were cut before** the WTC collapse. Thanks.
9/15/2015 8:51:55 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: So much for your previous threat eh? Please provide evidence the column or columns were cut before the WTC collapse. Thanks. I guess since you shills are dumbfounded and can't answer it, we will have to see what other forums/blogs have to say. In the meantime, a photo of that column popping up here and there might get any newcomers to question all aspects of that nist report you shills go to bed with. Must suck when a simple countryboy exposes you shills for what you really are eh?
9/15/2015 8:58:48 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Quote from srv63:Hey robot, i asked for YOUR OPINION or do you even possess one? My opinion is evidence based, not emotional, and I consider objectivity to be the ideal. The pilot stated 350 knots; the engines are obviously flat out; it is clear that 757's and 767's can operate fully at sea level. So? That is my opinion and that will suffice for you. Idle speculation is your dept., not mine. I don't have confirmation bias that requires feeding. Disprove it. It's that simple (fk me, how many times have I posted that to you?). I don't want sophistry, diversions, attacks upon me or any other evasion. Just fking do it!!! So your programming tells you not to question what is told to you. Ok, i got it.Now go lick my boots and they better shine. Make me a sandwich first and make it snappy
9/15/2015 9:17:53 PM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: I guess since you shills are dumbfounded and can't answer it, we will have to see what other forums/blogs have to say. In the meantime, a photo of that column popping up here and there might get any newcomers to question all aspects of that nist report you shills go to bed with. Must suck when a simple countryboy exposes you shills for what you really are eh? It makes perfect sense the columns were cut after both WTC's collapsed in order to facilitate the removal of debris. What doesn't make sense is attempting to extract ground level columns firmly implanted down to bedrock by means of a tow chain or wrecking ball. That said, we look forward to any newcomers who may be able to provide evidence that disputes anything in specific regarding the NIST report. As for any evidence the columns were cut previous to the WTC collapse, my apologies for your feeling so dumbfounded.
9/15/2015 9:57:52 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: So much for your previous threat eh? Please provide evidence the column or columns were cut before the WTC collapse. Thanks. If the column was NOT CUT THRU (as pictured in yellow highlights) by the cleanup crews to remove the top section from the bottom section (pictured), then it would be IMPOSSIBLE to remove the top section but yet the top section sure is not connected anymore so where is it?? The top section is OBVIOUSLY not attached anymore so something removed it so WHAT could possibly snap off the top section of that HUGE column? Could a large crane do such a thing? Highly unlikely but why would they do such a thing? How many crane operators would go along with such a feat? Answer: 0 . How many crane operators would allow their crane to be tied onto a 50 ton section of steel column measuring 4 feet wide by 3 feet deep and constructed of plate steel 5 inches thick on each wall and that column is cut at a 45 degree angle (like felling a tree)? Answer: 0 crane operators. How many iron workers/welders are going to agree to be the one making the last few inches of the cut on that huge 50 ton column before the crane is able to take on the full 50 ton load? Answer: again 0 . Now tell us shills, how likely could your masters in government be to finding a cleanup crew with a death wish? Would any of you clowns agree to be the one on the other end of that cutting torch to cut the last few inches of that huge steel column? Yeah, i didn't think so either. FACTS IS the column in the photo is NOT CUT at all four corners and them four corners CLEARLY SHOW EVIDENCE of the metal TEARING which can only mean ONE thing and that is: It would be IMPOSSIBLE for the cleanup crew to have made that cut because they had no possible way of ripping the top section of column from the bottom section of column (pictured) therefore the ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION is the top section was seperated from the bottom section of column from the shear force of the building coming down on top of it and quite possibly getting help from explosives. Now stick that in your pipe for evidence that you bastards claim we don't have. [Edited 9/15/2015 9:59:11 PM ]
9/15/2015 10:09:01 PM
naprinciple West Plains, MO 46, joined Feb. 2014	World War III - Who Will Be Blamed? https://youtu.be/hvcq3OpX8qQ Published on Sep 11, 2015 Sources and transcript: http://stormcloudsgathering.com/ww3-w... If you want to start a to war, the unwashed masses must be convinced to send their brothers, sons and fathers to die on the front lines. The specter of an external enemy must be etched into their collective mind through trauma, exaggeration and repetition. History must be whitewashed, twisted and cherry picked down to a politicized nursery rhyme. At no point should the real motives or consequences of such an endeavor be discussed.
9/15/2015 10:18:48 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: It makes perfect sense the columns were cut after both WTC's collapsed in order to facilitate the removal of debris. What doesn't make sense is attempting to extract ground level columns firmly implanted down to bedrock by means of a tow chain or wrecking ball. That said, we look forward to any newcomers who may be able to provide evidence that disputes anything in specific regarding the NIST report. As for any evidence the columns were cut previous to the WTC collapse, my apologies for your feeling so dumbfounded. As expected, your twirling around the facts and throwing out glitter of bullshit that has nothing to do with the main FACTS. Answer HOW the top portion of the column was removed from the bottom portion (pictured) when all 4 corners were not cut thru (highlighted in yellow). If your clueless then say so.It doesn't make you any dumber, but other actions will
9/15/2015 10:23:05 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63:So your programming tells you not to question what is told to you. Ok, i got it.Now go lick my boots and they better shine. Make me a sandwich first and make it snappy No, that is just specious nonsense, and you should know it. You're starting to ape nappy's style in strawmanning. You guys will try anything to avoid the burden of proof. LOLOL There is no reason NOT to believe the pilot other than your confirmation bias and you can't prove otherwise. To try and shift the focus to me with that weak accusation just tells me you've got nothing. It's always the same with you guys, you say much, yet nothing. So, how's the proof that the plane wasn't doing 350 knots coming along? Will it be like all your other 'proof' in that we'll never see it?
9/15/2015 10:24:58 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	In see that mendacious piece of shit, noprinciples blocked me again. Great! Now I don't have to read his fallacious nonsense. WooHoo!!!!!!!
9/15/2015 10:30:41 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: In see that mendacious piece of shit, noprinciples blocked me again. Great! Now I don't have to read his fallacious nonsense. WooHoo!!!!!!! Well stop being an obvious boot licking shill. Atleast fake being genuine again and maybe he will unblock you. Your too obvious, much like that little b*tch in training nologic.
9/15/2015 10:32:34 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from tragicparrot:It makes perfect sense the columns were cut after both WTC's collapsed in order to facilitate the removal of debris. What doesn't make sense is attempting to extract ground level columns firmly implanted down to bedrock by means of a tow chain or wrecking ball. That said, we look forward to any newcomers who may be able to provide evidence that disputes anything in specific regarding the NIST report. As for any evidence the columns were cut previous to the WTC collapse, my apologies for your feeling so dumbfounded. It would be nice if the detractors of the NIST report could actually discuss what they find wrong with it. I doubt any of them have ever read it though.
9/15/2015 10:35:10 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Quote from srv63:So your programming tells you not to question what is told to you. Ok, i got it.Now go lick my boots and they better shine. Make me a sandwich first and make it snappy No, that is just specious nonsense, and you should know it. You're starting to ape nappy's style in strawmanning. You guys will try anything to avoid the burden of proof. LOLOL There is no reason NOT to believe the pilot other than your confirmation bias and you can't prove otherwise. To try and shift the focus to me with that weak accusation just tells me you've got nothing. It's always the same with you guys, you say much, yet nothing. So, how's the proof that the plane wasn't doing 350 knots coming along? Will it be like all your other 'proof' in that we'll never see it? You know how much any of us care about that dumb video with no merit that you posted of the plane cruising across the ground like a sailboat? Zilch
9/15/2015 10:38:15 PM
naprinciple West Plains, MO 46, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from srv63: Well stop being an obvious boot licking shill. Atleast fake being genuine again and maybe he will unblock you. Your too obvious, much like that little btch in training nologic. ***************************** I warned him what would happen if he accused me of using logical fallacies again, without specificity Perhaps he wanted me to block him? [Edited 9/15/2015 10:40:38 PM ]
9/15/2015 10:39:01 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Quote from tragicparrot:It makes perfect sense the columns were cut after both WTC's collapsed in order to facilitate the removal of debris. What doesn't make sense is attempting to extract ground level columns firmly implanted down to bedrock by means of a tow chain or wrecking ball. That said, we look forward to any newcomers who may be able to provide evidence that disputes anything in specific regarding the NIST report. As for any evidence the columns were cut previous to the WTC collapse, my apologies for your feeling so dumbfounded. It would be nice if the detractors of the NIST report could actually discuss what they find wrong with it. I doubt any of them have ever read it though. Keep side stepping answering the question on the uncut column shills. Guess what, its not going anywhere and will always be here for you shills when you are crying for proof of 9/11 being an inside job.
9/15/2015 10:40:43 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from naprinciple: Quote from srv63: Well stop being an obvious boot licking shill. Atleast fake being genuine again and maybe he will unblock you. Your too obvious, much like that little btch in training nologic. ***************************** I warned him what would happen if he accused me of using logical fallacies again, without specificity I guess were finding out these shills are not so bright as we thought huh
9/15/2015 10:41:23 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63:Well stop being an obvious boot licking shill. Stop being an ahole who makes directs his argument to the person. Fk, nappy taught you well! Atleast fake being genuine again and maybe he will unblock you. I don't care if he unblocks me or not. His fallacious style brings nothing to the discussion. He is here to distract, troll, evade, anything but discuss the point, and I have no time for trolls who do that as you should well know by now. People who can't develop a reasoned argument and can't articulate their point aren't worth my time. That is why you go on ignore so much. Your crap gets too boring and I need a break from your stupid shit. What do you mean 'fake being genuine'? Whose a did you pull that from? Your too obvious, much like that little btch in training nologic.* What do you know about logic? You commit every fallacy under the sun! (And you can't spell 'you're') Fk me! That's priceless! You're certainly in no position to make a judgement about someone's logic. Your logic is appallingly bad! You have no idea of then logical process, or what constitutes a fallacy. Nor can you develop a reasoned argument with supporting evidence. You just make claims and attack people. Any fkwit can do that (and many do).
9/15/2015 10:46:07 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63:I guess were finding out these shills are not so bright as we thought huh He assumes I cared about his specificity. I don't (too tired; too ill), and his posts were more than enough to expose his fallacious style. If he can't man up to his own failings, then he is not as mature as he'd like to think he is. Personally, I don't give a flying f**k about him, you or anyone else.
9/15/2015 10:49:22 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63:Keep side stepping answering the question on the uncut column shills. Guess what, its not going anywhere and will always be here for you shills when you are crying for proof of 9/11 being an inside job. Physician, heal thyself. You still have to prove that it wasn't made by the clean up crews, and your earlier justification was nothing more than an argument from incredulity (fallacious).

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