7/27/2015 11:44:11 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: To the Truthers as well as the shills, Since i never could get any of these spineless, deceptive shills to answer one of my questions about the WIDTH, DEPTH and THICKNESS of the FORTY SEVEN (47) MAIN COLUMNS that are the MAIN SUPPORTS in the center of EACH twin tower, You never asked you lying POS. i took the liberty of posting a clear view of one (url is posted below) being cut at ground zero. Compare the size of one of these columns compared to one of the guys cutting it and ask yourselves, would it be possible for jet fuel which is not a damn bit hotter burning than kerosene or diesel fuel, be able to get hot enough to weaken one of these beams, much less most of them? As you can clearly see, EACH COLUMNS metal thickness is a minimum OF 4 INCHES THICK Only in a fairy tale could diesel fuel get that hot Argument from incredulity and invalid. If you discount the loss of integrity in the steel with nothing but a logical fallacy, how do you account for the effect as seen below, that occurred just before the collapse? I bet I don't get a straight answer. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
7/28/2015 12:12:41 AM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: So no comment on your diesel fuel being able to heat HUGE 4 INCHES THICK steel columns to the required temperature to cause them to buckle? I didn't think so Your proof that two fuel laden 767's crashing into the WTC's could not have produced enough temperature to buckle 4 inch thick steel columns? Given both structures had indeed collapsed, yet according to you happened upon some other means, the burden of proof rests upon you. What evidence do you have anything other than burning jet fuel and office supplies contributed towards the collapse of either tower?
7/28/2015 12:18:49 AM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from tragicparrot: Your proof that two fuel laden 767's crashing into the WTC's could not have produced enough temperature to buckle 4 inch thick steel columns? Given both structures had indeed collapsed, yet according to you happened upon some other means, the burden of proof rests upon you. What evidence do you have anything other than burning jet fuel and office supplies contributed towards the collapse of either tower? He is also ignoring the amount of columns that were cut during the impact. See the Purdue simulation posted numerous times throughout this thread.
7/28/2015 12:27:28 AM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from class5: He is also ignoring the amount of columns that were cut during the impact. See the Purdue simulation posted numerous times throughout this thread. I was hoping not to burden him, but seeings how you brought it up... Any more thoughts on how the WTC's collapsed srv63?
7/28/2015 12:28:41 AM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: Thanks for the wonderful link showing the efforts made by crews in cleaning up the area's in and around ground zero. Your proof of an incendiary utilized in bringing down the WTC's other than jet fuel and office supplies? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_ogSbQFbM Enjoy For you shills, name one building in history that burned for weeks and MANY eyewitnesses testimony tells of "MOLTEN STEEL"
7/28/2015 12:38:31 AM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs_ogSbQFbM Enjoy For you shills, name one building in history that burned for weeks and MANY eyewitnesses testimony tells of "MOLTEN STEEL" Name any one single structure that had ever been struck by a fully fueled 767.
7/28/2015 12:40:23 AM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: I was hoping not to burden him, but seeings how you brought it up... Any more thoughts on how the WTC's collapsed srv63? Parrot, tell your hiding sissy no-class that NO BEER CAN of a plane is going to cut thru even one of them steel columns. IMPOSSIBLE and anyone thinking so is beyond retarded and should be put to sleep permanent for wasting oxygen. Do i need to post the results of what happens when a large plane comes up against wooden telephone poles? And that idiot no-class is going to tell me that same planes wings are going to cut thru 4 INCH THICK STEEL ? Pathetic
7/28/2015 12:43:57 AM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: Name any one single structure that had ever been struck by a fully fueled 767. So the planes that hit the towers were FULLY FUELED now? I DON'T THINK SO I wouldn't care if there were 5 fully fueled planes already inside the towers. The fuel would NEVER get hot enough to weaken 4 inch thick steel [Edited 7/28/2015 12:46:24 AM ]
7/28/2015 12:45:17 AM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: Parrot, tell your hiding sissy no-class that NO BEER CAN of a plane is going to cut thru even one of them steel columns. IMPOSSIBLE and anyone thinking so is beyond retarded and should be put to sleep permanent for wasting oxygen. Do i need to post the results of what happens when a large plane comes up against wooden telephone poles? And that idiot no-class is going to tell me that same planes wings are going to cut thru 4 INCH THICK STEEL ? Pathetic Explain how 767's are constructed in any way similar to a beer can.
7/28/2015 12:51:47 AM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Parrot, tell your hiding sissy no-class that NO BEER CAN of a plane is going to cut thru even one of them steel columns. Well, your incredulity doesn't concur with reality, You fail. IMPOSSIBLE and anyone thinking so is beyond retarded and should be put to sleep permanent for wasting oxygen. Do i need to post the results of what happens when a large plane comes up against wooden telephone poles? And that idiot no-class is going to tell me that same planes wings are going to cut thru 4 INCH THICK STEEL ? Pathetic Ranting noted. So, you can produce evidence for this vapid rant? Of course not. Loser. Oh, and...
7/28/2015 12:54:01 AM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from tragicparrot: Explain how 767's are constructed in any way similar to a beer can. Since you shills try to impress us with what 2x4's can do to a brick wall of a house or penetrate a tree from being thrown fiercely thru the air during a tornado, then show me a beer can (fuselage of a plane) going thru a sheet of 1/8 steel. I think i'm not asking for much. You can't because it's impossible
7/28/2015 12:56:33 AM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63:So the planes that hit the towers were FULLY FUELED now? I DON'T THINK SO The fuel load was still considerable. See the Purdue simulation for clarity. I won't post it again because I've given it to you three times already (at least). I wouldn't care if there were 5 fully fueled planes already inside the towers. The fuel would NEVER get hot enough to weaken 4 inch thick steel Funny, because that's what happened, and you can't offer a coherent or rational alternative, so the original hypothesis stands. Well, that was easy. Next fatuous post! Oh, and.... [Edited 7/28/2015 12:57:52 AM ]
7/28/2015 1:00:43 AM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Since you shills try to impress us with what 2x4's can do to a brick wall of a house or penetrate a tree from being thrown fiercely thru the air during a tornado, then show me a beer can (fuselage of a plane) going thru a sheet of 1/8 steel. I think i'm not asking for much. You can't because it's impossible The burden of proof lies with you. You have to show that the aircraft could not have penetrated the outer shell like reality depicts. If you can't, the original hypothesis stands. Sorry, you lose again. I'll add to the list you have been unable to support. a) The rust on the aluminium fuselage that isn't there. b) The tin fuselage that is really made of aluminium. c) The primer that isn't there. d) That the aircraft were incapable of penetrating the outer shell. None of your above claims have any supporting evidence. It must be tough on you being such a failure at everything. [Edited 7/28/2015 1:03:56 AM ]
7/28/2015 1:09:52 AM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	For anyone interested, the url below is of how hot thermite actually gets. So HOT that it is still on fire EVEN FULLY SUBMERGED IN WATER. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj7S_DNFgEU Start at 3:45 Enjoy shills and try to learn something [Edited 7/28/2015 1:12:16 AM ]
7/28/2015 1:16:59 AM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: Since you shills try to impress us with what 2x4's can do to a brick wall of a house or penetrate a tree from being thrown fiercely thru the air during a tornado, then show me a beer can (fuselage of a plane) going thru a sheet of 1/8 steel. I think i'm not asking for much. You can't because it's impossible There are no jetliner fuselages that of which even resemble a beer can let alone are made of tin. The fact that a 2x4 can indeed penetrate a concrete wall is proof of in itself a 767 can easily penetrate the WTC. How hot thermite gets is not proof of it having been utilized in any of the WTC's collapse.
7/28/2015 1:18:04 AM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: For anyone interested, the url below is of how hot thermite actually gets. So HOT that it is still on fire EVEN FULLY SUBMERGED IN WATER. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj7S_DNFgEU Start at 3:45 Yeah, yeah seen it all before. So, how do you reconcile this with the WTC collapses now that the thermite canard has been shown to be false? Or are you just hoping that little fact might go away?
7/28/2015 2:14:45 AM
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from srv63: So you gooberment paid shills are not going to dispute Mr Barry Jennings testimony of explosions? THIS would be a first. No idea who the paid shills you talk about are, but I for one cannot dispute what he said he heard, it is highly likely that there were explosions, fires meeting oil canisters produce explosions. They are also caused by many other things too. No, it is VERY LIKELY that he heard explosions.
7/28/2015 2:18:26 AM
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from srv63: I am simply asking a question. Did Mr Barry Jennings experience the stairwell beneath him in WTC7 explode from out beneath him? I think this is one really simple question How many times do you want this to be answered you moron? Please do learn to READ and inwardly digest for once in your life. YES, he HEARD explosions and YES, the floor beneath his feet likely did give way.
7/28/2015 9:30:50 AM
louie6332 Falkville, AL 73, joined Nov. 2011	Higgy and company, in response to your assertion that falling buildings, because of their inertia, naturally fall, not over, but through themselves at near free fall speed into their own footprint into a pile of rubble, I pointed out to you four higgies that trees have a lot of inertia too, but that they naturally fall over, not through themselves at near free fall speed into their own foot print into a pile of sawdust. That sent you into a fit of laughter, because it painted a picture that was so far from reality that it was hilarious. And you came back and explained to me that trees, unlike buildings, are solid. Well, higgy, let me take you by the hand and patiently explain to you that when a floor of a building collapses onto the floor below, it encounters resistance from the solid support structures in the floors below, which stops it, but even if the architectural engineers miscalculated, and the solid support was not strong enough to stop it, it would prevent the entire structure from falling at near free fall speed. The only way you can get the entire structure falling at near free fall speed, is to use controlled demolition charges fired in sequence as the building falls so that the floor above encounters little or no resistance from the support structure of the floor below. You server the support of one floor so that it falls, and then you server the support of the flour below, so that by the time the floor above arrives, the support of the floor below is no longer there, and so on down the line. Now back to the tree. You thought it was hilarious that a tree would fall straight down through itself into a pile of sawdust, but If you bring the tree down in the SAME way with sequentially fired controlled demolition charges placed inside the tree, let us say, placed every inch along the length of the tree, then, instead of falling over as it normally does with cut down, it would fall into itself at near free fall speed into its own footprint into a pile of sawdust, despite the fact that it is solid. All three towers fell, not over as they normally would if this were an accidental occurrence, but into themselves at near free fall speed into a pile of rubble, just as they would if brought down by design by sequentially fired controlled demolition charges. The chance of that happening by accident is virtually nil. And most of the concrete was pulverized, reduced to a powder, and the chance of that happening by accident is absolutely nil. And don’t forget, no planes flew into the third tower, and the order to PULL it was given and recorded, which CONFIRMS that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. None of you four higges trust in God, but you all trust in the Government to tell you the truth about this 9-11 attack, despite the government’s official story contradicting itself and the known facts, and despite the government confiscating videos and immediately and illegally destroying evidence of the crime, and despite the Government's official policy of lying to the American people (they don't call it "lying" though, they have an official name for it, they call it "disinformation"), all of which should be a huge red flashing warning flag for you. Stop and think for a moment, if the Government was complicit in it, if they did it, they would have a reason to lie about it. Furthermore, they had a motive, they wanted their planned Middle Eastern war, and they wanted an excuse to remove from Americans their Constitutional rights, especially their right to bear arms, so that they could take American down with little resistance. You have intent and motive and a cover story that contradicts the evidence and even itself. What more do you want? Now it is time for you four higges to humbly stand up like men and admit that you were wrong, that’s what a real man would do. Louie
7/28/2015 9:33:09 AM
naprinciple West Plains, MO 46, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from srv63: For anyone interested, the url below is of how hot thermite actually gets. So HOT that it is still on fire EVEN FULLY SUBMERGED IN WATER. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj7S_DNFgEU Start at 3:45 Enjoy shills and try to learn something Which may explain the heat teeming out of ground zero weeks later
7/28/2015 9:50:27 AM
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Louie; I have NO idea why you keep quoting my name in your diatribe because to be honest, ever since page 188 I have ignored you through choice as your posts are nothing but pure bullshit. You don't even have the decency to answer posts directed at you, mind you, I can understand that, especially when they show you to be one big old liar, just like below. Louie, I will CONTINUE to ignore you, you are nothing but an OLD crackpot. Quote from louie6332: Three piggies, I mean three higgys, I see. First you claim there were no eyewitness accounts of explosions in the buildings, none, but then when presented with numerous eyewitness testimony that successive explosions were felt and heard IN ALL THREE buildings, you categorically dismiss it. Here is the answer Louie, page 188 and since then, some 14 pages later, you have not had the decency to acknowledge or comment, because it proves you to be wrong doesn't it? Quote from higgy51: Why do you lie? Please, please try to explain how this below categorically dismisses the explosions? Quote from higgy51: So what if he did hear or see an explosion? There were many of them at the Towers. It is a well known fact that they were told to get out and right now by someone over the phone, we know this and we know he said he heard an explosion, so what? Many people also heard explosions. Oil tanks can and do make an explosive sound when fire meets them! [Edited 7/28/2015 9:50:56 AM ]
7/28/2015 10:48:59 AM
_us4love Salem, OR 48, joined Nov. 2013	Quote from higgy51: Louie; I have NO idea why you keep quoting my name in your diatribe because to be honest, ever since page 188 I have ignored you through choice as your posts are nothing but pure bullshit. You don't even have the decency to answer posts directed at you, mind you, I can understand that, especially when they show you to be one big old liar, just like below. Louie, I will CONTINUE to ignore you, you are nothing but an OLD crackpot. Mr. Higgy/Class5 are one in the same... Tragicparrot is also part of their Masonic Brethren... I personally am sick and tired of listening to their wise cracks of lies, lies and more lies!!! 9/11 was, without a doubt an inside job and thousands of Higgy's brethren new about it before hand... Higgy & clan know this to be true and are only here to cause confusion...
7/28/2015 11:36:24 AM
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from _us4love: eader] Mr. Higgy/Class5 are one in the same... Tragicparrot is also part of their Masonic Brethren... I personally am sick and tired of listening to their wise cracks of lies, lies and more lies!!! 9/11 was, without a doubt an inside job and thousands of Higgy's brethren new about it before hand... Higgy & clan know this to be true and are only here to cause confusion... Very rarely do I resort this way I am about to do so to replies that follows. The type of response is normally used by the likes of srv who have no intelligence and/or logic, much like yourself. If you are sick of the truth and can't handle the truth boy, FK OFF. If the heat in the kitchen is too hot for you, get the fk out of the kitchen boy. You have zero to bring to the debate, so f**k off before you are made to look like a bigger fool than you already are.
7/28/2015 12:58:51 PM
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	Louie Higgy and company, in response to your assertion that falling buildings, because of their inertia, naturally fall, not over, but through themselves at near free fall speed into their own footprint into a pile of rubble, I pointed out to you four higgies that trees have a lot of inertia too, but that they naturally fall over, not through themselves at near free fall speed into their own foot print into a pile of sawdust. That sent you into a fit of laughter, because it painted a picture that was so far from reality that it was hilarious. And you came back and explained to me that trees, unlike buildings, are solid. Well, higgy, let me take you by the hand and patiently explain to you that when a floor of a building collapses onto the floor below, it encounters resistance from the solid support structures in the floors below, which stops it, but even if the architectural engineers miscalculated, and the solid support was not strong enough to stop it, it would prevent the entire structure from falling at near free fall speed. The only way you can get the entire structure falling at near free fall speed, is to use controlled demolition charges fired in sequence as the building falls so that the floor above encounters little or no resistance from the support structure of the floor below. You server the support of one floor so that it falls, and then you server the support of the flour below, so that by the time the floor above arrives, the support of the floor below is no longer there, and so on down the line. Now back to the tree. You thought it was hilarious that a tree would fall straight down through itself into a pile of sawdust, but If you bring the tree down in the SAME way with sequentially fired controlled demolition charges placed inside the tree, let us say, placed every inch along the length of the tree, then, instead of falling over as it normally does with cut down, it would fall into itself at near free fall speed into its own footprint into a pile of sawdust, despite the fact that it is solid. All three towers fell, not over as they normally would if this were an accidental occurrence, but into themselves at near free fall speed into a pile of rubble, just as they would if brought down by design by sequentially fired controlled demolition charges. The chance of that happening by accident is virtually nil. And most of the concrete was pulverized, reduced to a powder, and the chance of that happening by accident is absolutely nil. And don’t forget, no planes flew into the third tower, and the order to PULL it was given and recorded, which CONFIRMS that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. None of you four higges trust in God, but you all trust in the Government to tell you the truth about this 9-11 attack, despite the government’s official story contradicting itself and the known facts, and despite the government confiscating videos and immediately and illegally destroying evidence of the crime, and despite the Government's official policy of lying to the American people (they don't call it "lying" though, they have an official name for it, they call it "disinformation"), all of which should be a huge red flashing warning flag for you. Stop and think for a moment, if the Government was complicit in it, if they did it, they would have a reason to lie about it. Furthermore, they had a motive, they wanted their planned Middle Eastern war, and they wanted an excuse to remove from Americans their Constitutional rights, especially their right to bear arms, so that they could take American down with little resistance. You have intent and motive and a cover story that contradicts the evidence and even itself. What more do you want? Now it is time for you four higges to humbly stand up like men and admit that you were wrong, that’s what a real man would do. Louie ======================================================= Tremendous post Louie. Very well explained, and cannot be debunked by logic, reason, and common sense. The only think I dont agree with is you say 2 planes hit both towers.......but that is only a minor detail because we are both on the side of exposing the truth...and holding the real perps accountable.
7/28/2015 1:05:48 PM
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from 57channels: Tremendous post Louie. Very well explained, and cannot be debunked by logic, reason, and common sense. The only think I dont agree with is you say 2 planes hit both towers.......but that is only a minor detail because we are both on the side of exposing the truth...and holding the real perps accountable. This makes us all laugh at you nutcases. One says TWO planes hit the Towers. Another one says ONE plane hit the Towers. The other one says NO planes hit the Towers. And you talk about logic, reason and commonsense? You even call it a 'minor point' that you disagree with a fellow conspiracy nutcase! You can't even f**king agree with each other on a very MAJOR point!
7/28/2015 1:13:53 PM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from _us4love: eader]Mr. Higgy/Class5 are one in the same... Tragicparrot is also part of their Masonic Brethren... I personally am sick and tired of listening to their wise cracks of lies, lies and more lies!!! 9/11 was, without a doubt an inside job and thousands of Higgy's brethren new about it before hand... Higgy & clan know this to be true and are only here to cause confusion... You've made some pretty bold accusations here. Anything you might wanna add to help back them up? For your information, the number one reason the majority of people do not accept what truthers refer to as "the truth" is lack of evidence for what their calling "the truth." Sorry, but your crackpot allegation that we are somehow part of a Masonic Brethren organization who's only mission for being here is to cause confusion just does't cut it. Nor does this lend support to your idiotic "truth movement".
7/28/2015 1:16:42 PM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from higgy51: This makes us all laugh at you nutcases. One says TWO planes hit the Towers. Another one says ONE plane hit the Towers. The other one says NO planes hit the Towers. And you talk about logic, reason and commonsense? You even call it a 'minor point' that you disagree with a fellow conspiracy nutcase! You can't even f**king agree with each other on a very MAJOR point! Gotta admit though, they did do a pretty good job of exposing themselves.
7/28/2015 1:29:57 PM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from louie6332: Now it is time for you four higges to humbly stand up like men and admit that you were wrong, that’s what a real man would do. Louie Oh puhleeze... More like its about time you morons started acting like adults.
7/28/2015 2:07:52 PM
_us4love Salem, OR 48, joined Nov. 2013	Quote from higgy51: Very rarely do I resort this way I am about to do so to replies that follows. The type of response is normally used by the likes of srv who have no intelligence and/or logic, much like yourself. If you are sick of the truth and can't handle the truth boy, FK OFF. If the heat in the kitchen is too hot for you, get the fk out of the kitchen boy. You have zero to bring to the debate, so fk off before you are made to look like a bigger fool than you already are. Oh Mr. HIggy I mean Class... looks to me like I hit a nerve... ya all don't like being called out... too funny!!! lol Quote from tragicparrot: You've made some pretty bold accusations here. Anything you might wanna add to help back them up? For your information, the number one reason the majority of people do not accept what truthers refer to as "the truth" is lack of evidence** for what their calling "the truth." Sorry, but your crackpot allegation that we are somehow part of a Masonic Brethren organization who's only mission for being here is to cause confusion just does't cut it. Nor does this lend support to your idiotic "truth movement". As for evidence, it just common sense that anyone can see if they only watch how/where/when you jokers post...
7/28/2015 2:16:47 PM
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from _us4love: As for evidence, it just common sense that anyone can see if they only watch how/where/when you jokers post... Any idea what timezone the aussies have you moron? And no, you ain't hit a nerve....it's just that one tires of idiots like you and Louie who come in here, say nothing about anything and then flit away again. Now, go and leave the debate to the adults....no wait, that will only leave me, Tragic, Pro and Class...so stay a while, we need cannon fodder.
7/28/2015 2:42:32 PM
nat_now Ocala, FL 56, joined Jul. 2013	The bolts holding the floors' outside walls heated/weakened/broke, and floors fell pancaking down with ever- increasing weight to break bolts as they fell.. or was that video not correct?
7/28/2015 2:51:47 PM
nuffan Kennesaw, GA 52, joined Mar. 2014	What is hysterical is you have one side absolutely positive it was an inside job by our government...You have another side that is just absolutely sure it was nothing more than a terrorist attack... I have heard structural engineers...comment from both sides...with pretty much opposite analysis...well I have at least heard people claiming to be structural engineers neither was holding there framed degree from school during the filming...lol
7/28/2015 2:57:59 PM
higgy51 Navarro, CA 61, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from nuffan: What is hysterical is you have one side absolutely positive it was an inside job by our government...You have another side that is just absolutely sure it was nothing more than a terrorist attack... And what is so hysterical about that? Conspiracy Theorists are always against the 'official' viewpoint and standings. What is hysterical is that 3 of them cannot agree on how many planes hit the Towers, THAT is hysterical and shows the lack of logic and cohesion.
7/28/2015 3:19:28 PM
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	tragic You've made some pretty bold accusations here. Anything you might wanna add to help back them up? ================================================ I would like to add that all one has to do is read your posts the last 3 or 4 years.........and its quite easy to figure out that you are here to disrupt the truth, the search for the truth. I dont know how you can do it, post dribble after dribble after dribble when the evidence is soo overwhelming. Tell us......how much do you make, and are your checks signed by Larry Silverstein himself??/
7/28/2015 3:30:22 PM
juma2112 Wheat Ridge, CO 50, joined Jan. 2011	I only look in on this thread occasionally. It does seem that the general theme is 57, sv, etc. claim outrageous theories as fact, class, higgy, etc. ask for proof, and none is EVER provided (a youtube video of someone voicing an opinion is NOT evidence) Unsubstantiated claims/accusations seem to be more distraction than debate.
7/28/2015 4:07:49 PM
louie6332 Falkville, AL 73, joined Nov. 2011	Higgy, you say: “This makes us all laugh at you nutcases.” Bu "us all" Are you talking about all your profiles? Class, do you smoke cigars? Higgy, what color is your faceless bald hair? Are are you a Freemason? Louie
7/28/2015 4:09:22 PM
louie6332 Falkville, AL 73, joined Nov. 2011	Tragic, you know the biggest lie that government shields tell, it that there “is no evidence for the controlled demolition of the towers and for the involvement of the government. And Class, by the way, SAYS in his profile that his sole reason for being here is to debunk the truth or something to that effect. Louie
7/28/2015 4:22:08 PM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from nuffan: What is hysterical is you have one side absolutely positive it was an inside job by our government...You have another side that is just absolutely sure it was nothing more than a terrorist attack... I have heard structural engineers...comment from both sides...with pretty much opposite analysis...well I have at least heard people claiming to be structural engineers neither was holding there framed degree from school during the filming...lol So is what your suggesting is that everyone should sit back and accept this as evidence? Quote from _us4love: As for evidence, it just common sense that anyone can see if they only watch how/where/when you jokers post... Or this? Quote from srv63: More like an idiot educated from a dictionary in his mommys basement with NO COMMON SENSE Or how about this? Quote from 57channels: The govt. stoolies, or shills or paid stooges.....along with the braindead proud to be an American sheeple...........have one phony excuse after another. The never ending war on terror.......just like the never ending phony hollow excuses from the losers---- whether they are paid or not. Then there's this huge cache' of pure unadulterated evidence (BS)... Quote from louie6332: Tragic, you know the biggest lie that government shields tell, it that there “is no evidence for the controlled demolition of the towers and for the involvement of the government. And Class, by the way, SAYS in his profile that his sole reason for being here is to debunk the truth or something to that effect. Is this what you would refer to as evidence? Sorry, not buying it. The difference between conspiracy reasoning and skeptical reasoning, is that conspiracy theorists often begin with the premise that the conventional narrative must be false or misleading, then will head off to accept anything that might fit neatly into their conspiracy, even if there's no evidence to support it. Skeptics, on the other hand, will generally place all the narratives side by side, then use logic to find out which one makes the most sense. So far, we've yet to see any logical (much less honest) approach by conspiracy theorists (at least not from the ones here) that our Government was complicit in the planning of 911.
7/28/2015 4:48:33 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Quote from srv63: For anyone interested, the url below is of how hot thermite actually gets. So HOT that it is still on fire EVEN FULLY SUBMERGED IN WATER. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj7S_DNFgEU Start at 3:45 Yeah, yeah seen it all before. So, how do you reconcile this with the WTC collapses now that the thermite canard has been shown to be false? Or are you just hoping that little fact might go away? Too bad shill, the thermite will NEVER go away because it IS what mainly brought the towers down. Thermite is exactly what the eyewitnesses described when they saw "molten metal" flowing out from the towers. Thermite is the only explanation on how rectangular ,4 inch thick metal columns could have just melted away and the columns still burning weeks later under the rubble in "pools of molten metal". Thermite was also tested for and FOUND in the dust of 9/11 by "outside" professionals from other countries since we can't trust our own shitty assed gooberment to be honest. Thermite is here to stay loser shill
7/28/2015 4:52:51 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from higgy51: No idea who the paid shills you talk about are, but I for one cannot dispute what he said he heard, it is highly likely that there were explosions, fires meeting oil canisters produce explosions. They are also caused by many other things too. No, it is VERY LIKELY that he heard explosions. So what your saying is oil canisters on the sixth floor of building 7 is what exploded and collapsed the stairwell out from underneath Mr Barry Jennings? What would be the purpose of "oil canisters" on the sixth floor?
7/28/2015 4:59:29 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from higgy51: How many times do you want this to be answered you moron? Please do learn to READ and inwardly digest for once in your life. YES, he HEARD explosions and YES, the floor beneath his feet likely did give way. Well "moron", i'm simply asking what exactly ignited to have enough blast force to wipe out a whole stairwell? You mention oil containers. What exactly were these oil containers used for and why the hell were they not inside the basement instead of being around the sixth floor? After you answer them legitimate questions then tell me was it imposible for explosives to have been planted in building 7?
7/28/2015 5:04:02 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from louie6332: Tragic, you know the biggest lie that government shields tell, it that there “is no evidence for the controlled demolition of the towers and for the involvement of the government. Hey moron, it's true. And Class, by the way, SAYS in his profile that his sole reason for being here is to debunk the truth or something to that effect. Hey you, lying piece of shit,it actually says: "I'm here strictly here to disprove conspiracy theories in the forums. I know, it's a weird hobby, but idiots need to be told they're idiots. So I consider it a public service." You're just as mendacious and despicable as the rest of the truther scum. I know you're just throwing tantrums because I continually disprove your lies. [Edited 7/28/2015 5:04:40 PM ]
7/28/2015 5:08:33 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from higgy51: Louie; I have NO idea why you keep quoting my name in your diatribe because to be honest, ever since page 188 I have ignored you through choice as your posts are nothing but pure bullshit. You don't even have the decency to answer posts directed at you, mind you, I can understand that, especially when they show you to be one big old liar, just like below. Louie, I will CONTINUE to ignore you, you are nothing but an OLD crackpot.
7/28/2015 5:09:34 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from juma2112: I only look in on this thread occasionally. It does seem that the general theme is 57, sv, etc. claim outrageous theories as fact, class, higgy, etc. ask for proof, and none is EVER provided (a youtube video of someone voicing an opinion is NOT evidence) Unsubstantiated claims/accusations seem to be more distraction than debate. Says the so called vietnam vet
7/28/2015 5:15:10 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from nuffan: What is hysterical is you have one side absolutely positive it was an inside job by our government...You have another side that is just absolutely sure it was nothing more than a terrorist attack... What you and the others continually miss is the fact that the hypotheses as presented by 9/11 are illogical, irrational, unnecessary and impractical. I have heard structural engineers...comment from both sides...with pretty much opposite analysis...well I have at least heard people claiming to be structural engineers neither was holding there framed degree from school during the filming...lol Yes, you've heard a very small, yet vociferous minority speak out against the accepted version. They even try to call it the government's version, but faculties all over the world agree with the events as portrayed in the accepted version. Students in Japan even model the collapses based upon the information supplied in the NIST report. 9/11 truth have produced no papers in support of their claims. That alone speaks volumes.
7/28/2015 5:15:38 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Hey you, lying piece of shit,it actually says: "I'm here strictly here to disprove conspiracy theories in the forums. I know, it's a weird hobby, but idiots need to be told they're idiots. So I consider it a public service." You're just as mendacious and despicable as the rest of the truther scum. I know you're just throwing tantrums because I continually disprove your lies. Your paid to disprove us Truthers loser, so when are you going to start earning your paycheck?
7/28/2015 5:15:48 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Says the so called vietnam vet Wow, that was clever. Are you proud of yourself?
7/28/2015 5:17:18 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Your paid to disprove us Truthers loser, so when are you going to start earning your paycheck? Wow, that was clever. Are you proud of yourself?
7/28/2015 5:19:10 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Yes, you've heard a very small, yet vociferous minority speak out against the accepted version. They even try to call it the government's version, but faculties all over the world agree with the events as portrayed in the accepted version. Students in Japan even model the collapses based upon the information supplied in the NIST report. 9/11 truth have produced no papers in support of their claims. That alone speaks volumes. We don't need no published papers fancy pants. All we need is what we already have an abundance of and that's called "common sense". Too bad mommy didn't buy you any
7/28/2015 5:21:58 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Too bad shill, the thermite will NEVER go away because it IS what mainly brought the towers down. Thermite is exactly what the eyewitnesses described when they saw "molten metal" flowing out from the towers. Bullshit. That was f**king lame, Idiot. Do you really think I'll fall for that shit? Thermite is the only explanation on how rectangular ,4 inch thick metal columns could have just melted away They weren't melted away. Stop lying. and the columns still burning weeks later under the rubble in "pools of molten metal". Another lie. I t was the rubble pile burning/. To state 'columns' is an obvious attwempt at misrepresentation. Thermite was also tested for and FOUND in the dust of 9/11 by "outside" professionals from other countries since we can't trust our own shitty assed gooberment to be honest. No, the Jones, Harritt & Farer results were false and this was proved by an independent company (MVA). You should pay attention to the thread instead of spending your time trying to 'out-douche' the other truther muppets.
7/28/2015 5:21:58 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: Wow, that was clever. Are you proud of yourself? Well shill, i want performance out of your lazy a** since my tax dollars are supporting you
7/28/2015 5:23:08 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: We don't need no published papers fancy pants. All we need is what we already have an abundance of and that's called "common sense". Too bad mommy didn't buy you any LOLOL What a foolish response. Keep posting, please.
7/28/2015 5:27:02 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from srv63: Well shill, i want performance out of your lazy a since my tax dollars are supporting you In Australia? Yeah, that's bright Fkstain. You didn't think that one through, but hey, you do that a lot. I've come to expect no less. Anyway, moron. You've done nothing but troll since I released you from the Dunce corner. It's time you went back methinks, as you've nothing of merit to contribute. See ya' Shithead. [Edited 7/28/2015 5:28:44 PM ]
7/28/2015 5:34:51 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: No, the Jones, Harritt & Farer results were false and this was proved by an independent company (MVA). You should pay attention to the thread instead of spending your time trying to 'out-douche' the other truther muppets. Look here creampuff, the only thing in the way of them towers coming down after them military drones hit them, was mainly the 94 3 foot x 4 foot and 4 inch thick steel columns that supported the center of each tower.Look at the satellite image of ground zero where the hot spots were that burned for weeks--exactly in the center of where tower 1 , tower 2 and building 7 once stood. Now use some common sense creampuff if you have any left and you might actually realize that THERMITE is the ONLY ANSWER
7/28/2015 5:37:49 PM
srv63 Baytown, TX 52, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from class5: In Australia? Yeah, that's bright F*kstain. You didn't think that one through, but hey, you do that a lot. I've come to expect no less. Anyway, moron. You've done nothing but troll since I released you from the Dunce corner. It's time you went back methinks, as you've nothing of merit to contribute. See ya' Shithead. Your not in no australia you dckless twit. We all know damn well your hiding in parrot and higgys basement. Does this mean your going back into hiding again? Aw shucks, that might ruin my day now [Edited 7/28/2015 5:40:12 PM ]
7/28/2015 5:39:54 PM
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	juma I only look in on this thread occasionally. It does seem that the general theme is 57, sv, etc. claim outrageous theories as fact, class, higgy, etc. ask for proof, and none is EVER provided (a youtube video of someone voicing an opinion is NOT evidence) ===================================================== Here I thought you came back to answer my question about the veterans for truth that want a REAl investigation into 9-11. I guess your just not gonna answer it huh?? The 3 kiddies claim only 14 lost family members..or one of them. I get them all mixed up. Moe, Larry and Curly = combined iltelligence=0 but they are paid shills so might be a little higher
7/28/2015 5:53:40 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from nat_now: The bolts holding the floors' outside walls heated/weakened/broke, and floors fell pancaking down with ever- increasing weight to break bolts as they fell.. or was that video not correct? It was correct. The gif I presented earlier shows the effect on the outer shell as the floor beams sag owing to the heat. This pulled the outer walls in until the joins sheared and the collapse began.
7/28/2015 5:54:27 PM
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 57, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from srv63: Look here creampuff, the only thing in the way of them towers coming down after them military drones hit them, was mainly the 94 3 foot x 4 foot and 4 inch thick steel columns that supported the center of each tower.Look at the satellite image of ground zero where the hot spots were that burned for weeks--exactly in the center of where tower 1 , tower 2 and building 7 once stood. Now use some common sense creampuff if you have any left and you might actually realize that THERMITE is the ONLY ANSWER This had already been addressed several pages ago. Linky's below... http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2009/04/active-thermitic-material-claimed-in.html http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/12/molten-metal-pools-may-have-simple.html Rehashing claims thermite was used to bring down the WTC's cannot ignore the evidence presented by 11-settemre. Also, the NIST reports represent the most serious attempt to answer these questions. Simply claiming the above in a vacuum without referencing to it is ludicrous and a waste of time. Linky to the NIST report... http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/ Please read, then offer your rebuttal. Any reasonable one will do.
7/28/2015 5:59:17 PM
57channels Bettendorf, IA 64, joined May. 2008	cl-Ass It was correct. The gif I presented earlier shows the effect on the outer shell as the floor beams sag owing to the heat. This pulled the outer walls in until the joins sheared and the collapse began. ====================================================== Ahhhhhhh.... there we have it. Ass knows more about the demo job than the hundreds of architects and engineers that want a REAl investigation. You know....the guys that design and study buildings for a living. Maybe Moe and Curly will pay credence to your lunatatic claim....but I doubt anyone else will.
7/28/2015 6:03:48 PM
class5 Queensland Australia 52, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from 57channels: Ahhhhhhh.... there we have it. Ass knows more about the demo job than the hundreds of architects and engineers that want a REAl investigation. Shut up Fool. Have you not read the reports? Where do you think I obtained the information? Why do you have to act like this? What do you get out of being an a**hole? AE911T cannot produce the evidence for a new investigation because they lack the evidence, as you've been told repeatedly. Grow up 57, and lift your game to an adult level and stop acting the fool.

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