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louie6332
Falkville, AL
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TragicParrot, you say: “From now on, I suggest you only purchase bottled water [because tap water is poisoned by the government]. But be sure to have it tested first, else you'll just never know...”.
I know this, which is why I don’t drink tap water, Florine in tap water affects the brain, I only drink filtered water, distilled water, or reverse osmosis water. And this is why I am not brain dead.
Louie
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8/1/2015 8:37:28 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
52, joined Jul. 2012
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Your attempt at manipulated the context has failed. Once again, you are a liar. And a manipulator.
Here is one of my posts from like, 5 posts ago you bird brained moron. Now notice below where i ALREADY CHANGED my wording you dim-wit. Now notice how i changed what used to say "i'm still waiting on your bullshit to debunk Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of SEEING EXPLOSIVES" and now it reads as i copied below "i'm still waiting on your bullshit to debunk Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of EXPLOSIONS heard and seen in WTC7." Now eat shit and choke on it lying piece of shit shill
I guess my choice of words were just a bit in error. What i should have said is "By the way 3 1/2 stooges, i'm still waiting on your bullshit to debunk Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of EXPLOSIONS heard and seen in WTC7." Now you shills are going to say that Barry Jennings only "heard" explosions but correct me if i'm wrong, if someone hears an explosion and immediately afterwards the stairwell explodes out from underneath their feet, wouldn't that be the same as eyewitnessing an explosion? I believe everyone else that is not a payed shill would also agree
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8/1/2015 8:56:07 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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TragicParrot, you say: “From now on, I suggest you only purchase bottled water [because tap water is poisoned by the government]. But be sure to have it tested first, else you'll just never know...”.
I know this, which is why I don’t drink tap water, Florine in tap water affects the brain, I only drink filtered water, distilled water, or reverse osmosis water. And this is why I am not brain dead.
Louie
Don't pay attention to that piece of crap Louie. Just another attempt from a paid shill to try making a Truther look like a nutcase. If history plays out like i think, i hope these traitors to the USA can find a hole deep enough to hide, like their old buddy sudam hussein
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8/1/2015 9:06:42 PM |
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tragicparrot
Painesville, OH
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Here is one of my posts from like, 5 posts ago you bird brained moron. Now notice below where i ALREADY CHANGED my wording you dim-wit. Now notice how i changed what used to say "i'm still waiting on your bullshit to debunk Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of SEEING EXPLOSIVES" and now it reads as i copied below "i'm still waiting on your bullshit to debunk Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of EXPLOSIONS heard and seen in WTC7." Now eat shit and choke on it lying piece of shit shill
"I guess my choice of words were just a bit in error. What i should have said is "By the way 3 1/2 stooges, i'm still waiting on your bullshit to debunk Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of EXPLOSIONS heard and seen in WTC7." Now you shills are going to say that Barry Jennings only "heard" explosions but correct me if i'm wrong, if someone hears an explosion and immediately afterwards the stairwell explodes out from underneath their feet, wouldn't that be the same as eyewitnessing an explosion? I believe everyone else that is not a payed shill would also agree
No one ever disputed Mr Jennings of having heard explosions, only that he had seen the explosives at WTC7. You know this as well as anyone else, otherwise, you would not have guessed your choice of words were in error as a way to cover your ass. Liar, manipulator, now loser.
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8/1/2015 9:48:00 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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No one ever disputed Mr Jennings of having heard explosions, only that he had seen the explosives at WTC7. You know this as well as anyone else, otherwise, you would not have guessed your choice of words were in error as a way to cover your ass. Liar, manipulator, now loser.
Look here you jew bastard. I'm not arguing with your manipulative traitorous,cowardly a** on this subject anymore. FACTS ARE:
1) I DO NOT believe your jew gooberments account that generators were on the 5th floor of building 7 and until you PROVE IT with an ISO of floor layout of building 7 with a PRINTED DATE of BEFORE the building was completed, then i say LIARS and you clowns are DEBUNKED.
2) NO GENERATORS in building 7 were running because there was no need to be. EXPLAIN how a generator that IS NOT RUNNING, can EXPLODE.
3) GENERATORS DO NOT EXPLODE and if you over educated F**KIN IDIOTS ever seen the insides of a generator, you DUMB F**KS would know that!!!!!
4) IF you IDIOTS would LISTEN to Mr Barry Jennings testimony, you would CLEARLY HEAR and figure out that he was hearing explosions in the building of WTC7 as well as WITNESSING THE EXPLOSION that caused the stairwell beneath his feet to collapse, BEFORE WTC1 was rammed with the military drone. Now dumb f**ks, explain how these bullshit transformers and bullshit generators are supposed to be exploding inside of building 7 when there IS NOT anything to cause them to explode. Now lets hear the deceptive shills BULLSHIT story
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8/1/2015 9:58:14 PM |
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tragicparrot
Painesville, OH
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TragicParrot, you say: “From now on, I suggest you only purchase bottled water [because tap water is poisoned by the government]. But be sure to have it tested first, else you'll just never know...”.
I know this, which is why I don’t drink tap water, Florine in tap water affects the brain, I only drink filtered water, distilled water, or reverse osmosis water. And this is why I am not brain dead.
Louie
So Louie. Is this why approximately 6 million people in Birmingham and West Midlands alone, which is situated in the UK, have fluoridated their water for over 40 years and are now losing their minds? You know Louie, I heard (no pun intended) that they put it in tooth paste, which, not surprisingly, is why it's good for teeth. Supposedly, that's what keeps stuff sticking to your toothies. Any chance you use toothpaste Louie? Or have you been for all these years wearing away your tooth enamel by using baking soda instead?
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8/1/2015 10:12:55 PM |
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tragicparrot
Painesville, OH
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Look here you jew bastard. I'm not arguing with your manipulative traitorous,cowardly a** on this subject anymore. FACTS ARE:
1) I DO NOT believe your jew gooberments account that generators were on the 5th floor of building 7 and until you PROVE IT with an ISO of floor layout of building 7 with a PRINTED DATE of BEFORE the building was completed, then i say LIARS and you clowns are DEBUNKED.
2) NO GENERATORS in building 7 were running because there was no need to be. EXPLAIN how a generator that IS NOT RUNNING, can EXPLODE.
3) GENERATORS DO NOT EXPLODE and if you over educated F**KIN IDIOTS ever seen the insides of a generator, you DUMB F**KS would know that!!!!!
4) IF you IDIOTS would LISTEN to Mr Barry Jennings testimony, you would CLEARLY HEAR and figure out that he was hearing explosions in the building of WTC7 as well as WITNESSING THE EXPLOSION that caused the stairwell beneath his feet to collapse, BEFORE WTC1 was rammed with the military drone. Now dumb f**ks, explain how these bullshit transformers and bullshit generators are supposed to be exploding inside of building 7 when there IS NOT anything to cause them to explode. Now lets hear the deceptive shills BULLSHIT story
Try to relax srv63. After all, your right, generators don't really explode. What occurs when their fuel tanks have been exposed to excessive heat and damage is yet to be explained, well, at least not by you. Please, tell us more about these generators srv63, and what may have happened to all their associated fuel supplies (tanks).
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8/1/2015 10:25:15 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Try to relax srv63. After all, your right, generators don't really explode. What occurs when their fuel tanks have been exposed to excessive heat and damage is yet to be explained, well, at least not by you. Please, tell us more about these generators srv63, and what may have happened to all their associated fuel supplies (tanks).
I'm not dancing around with your a** anymore playing your dumb assed word games.FACT is Barry Jennings HEARD AND SEEN explosions BEFORE WTC1 was hit by the military drone therefore you shills HAVE NO EXCUSES saying that generators or transformers in building 7 were exploding because of fires in the building. Your turn shill
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8/1/2015 11:37:22 PM |
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tragicparrot
Painesville, OH
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I'm not dancing around with your a** anymore playing your dumb assed word games.FACT is Barry Jennings HEARD AND SEEN explosions BEFORE WTC1 was hit by the military drone therefore you shills HAVE NO EXCUSES saying that generators or transformers in building 7 were exploding because of fires in the building. Your turn shill
At least the truth i've spoken of was never based upon the manipulation of a couple of simple words. Which was it srv63, explosives or explosions that you had originally referred to when you posted this?...
By the way 3 1/2 stooges, i'm still waiting on your bullshit to debunk Barry Jennings EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of EXPLOSIVES in WTC7
And why wasn't it until several posts later you decided to change it from "EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY of EXPLOSIVES" to "eyewitness testimony of explosions"?
As it stands, you've proved nothing else than your being a lying manipulative idiot loser.
Your turn.
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8/2/2015 12:59:30 AM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
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I'm not dancing around with your a** anymore playing your dumb assed word games.FACT is Barry Jennings HEARD AND SEEN explosions BEFORE WTC1 was hit by the military drone therefore you shills HAVE NO EXCUSES saying that generators or transformers in building 7 were exploding because of fires in the building. Your turn shill
Prove it, prove where he actually said that he heard and saw explosions before WTC was hit at 08.46.
If it is a video, then I want the exact time, none of you "find it yourself" evasive crap.
Are you ready to be debunked again srv?
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8/2/2015 1:28:41 AM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Prove it, prove where he actually said that he heard and saw explosions before WTC was hit at 08.46.
If it is a video, then I want the exact time, none of you "find it yourself" evasive crap.
Are you ready to be debunked again srv?
I guess you already knew the answer to your own question huh shill. The answer is in a few of the videos on youtube that interview Mr Barry Jennings. Now all you have to do is watch the few videos and have an open mind and just a tad bit of common sense (your short coming) and the timeline for everything fits into place PROVING that EVERYTHING in your gooberments nist report is outright LIES, DECEPTION and BULLSHIT much the same as the tactics used by you shills
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8/2/2015 2:00:59 AM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Prove it, prove where he actually said that he heard and saw explosions before WTC was hit at 08.46.
If it is a video, then I want the exact time, none of you "find it yourself" evasive crap.
Are you ready to be debunked again srv?
FACE IT HIGGY, as far as building 7 (WTC7), YOU AND YOUR GOOBERMENT nist report are OFFICIALLY DEBUNKED!!!
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8/2/2015 2:16:22 AM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Try to relax srv63. After all, your right, generators don't really explode. What occurs when their fuel tanks have been exposed to excessive heat and damage is yet to be explained, well, at least not by you. Please, tell us more about these generators srv63, and what may have happened to all their associated fuel supplies (tanks).
Tell us parrot, why would you keep this important information (as far as "generators don't really explode") to yourself as all of you shills are busy stressing that exploding generators are most likely what caused the stairwell below Barry Jennings feet to collapse? You already knew generators don't explode but yet you went along with the bullshit therefore you sir are a liar and deceptive like a snake and showing your word means nothing
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8/2/2015 6:36:43 AM |
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class5
Queensland
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Hey class
I noticed your using these emoticons slot now. I'm guessing your using them to try to make yourself believe in the propaganda that you are expousing.after years of saying stuff you really don't believe and your gets so sick of not being able to look in the mirror by using these emoticons now you're trying to convince yourself that what you're saying is right so your conscience can rest easy.
I think it would be a tough job to do this week after week month after month year after year and not believe one word you're saying
Did you fingerpaint that with your own poo? How cute.
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8/2/2015 6:41:31 AM |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
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Class of the four stooges, I mean the four higgys, if you think the missing money from the Pentagon was ever “accounted for” then produce the link.
It's in the thread you lazy Shit.
Concerning the standby generators in the towers, you suggest that the generators were responsive for the collapse of tower seven]
No, you are lying. I never said any such thing.
, although the order to PULL IT was given and recorded
And what does that mean to you? That Silverstein ordered the fire brigade to demolish the building?
Let me get this straight, the generator blew up at the exact moment that the order was given. Right? What an amazing coincidence! Will wonders never cease?
No-one ever said that. Take your meds and go back to sleep Lunatic.
And the generators which were in the basement of the twin towers were also responsible for their collapse too. Right? Get real.
And no-one ever said that. Do you actually know what is going on here, and in your personal environment? Are you lucid?
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8/2/2015 10:18:47 AM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
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FACE IT HIGGY, as far as building 7 (WTC7), YOU AND YOUR GOOBERMENT nist report are OFFICIALLY DEBUNKED!!!
Hardly, unless you can PROVE (which you know you cannot) that Jennings saw and heard explosions before 8.46, you are lying.
You've already been debunked so many times, why don't you just give up?
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8/2/2015 10:19:59 AM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Louie, the shills can only produce a link where the gooberment claims to have found the error in their bookkeeping and they blame it on their old system versus their new system. I bet if the accountants that were investigating that missing 2.3 trillion didn't have a missile end their lives, they would have found that allot more than 2.3 trillion has been squandered away and secretly deposited into this jew assed gooberments puppet masters pockets. I for one fully support an investigation of ALL ASSETS that the gooberment controls and what better investigators than the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT since they despise the rats in our government. For every dollar that they find that was STOLEN from us the public, i would support giving them 10 cents on the dollar.Can you imagine the motivation that they would have on tracking every last penny? Can you imagine how many scumbag politicians and elite jews as well as puppet masters we would have in prison as well as how many daily public hangings of traitors to the United States? Wishful thinking huh
As far as building 7, you will find that these shills (even the dumb overeducated one named no-class) will insist that tiny office fires caused from the burning debris of WTC1 collapsing is what brought building 7 down as well. Problem is, the shills can't explain the explosions going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 north tower was ever hit by the military drone (if not a missile). Since explosions were going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 was hit or collapsed then there is no way flammable debris from WTC1 could have ignited the fires in building 7 therefore the transformers and generators as well as diesel fuel in building 7 could NOT have supposedly exploded causing the stairwell that Mr Barry Jennings was standing on, to disappear out from under his feet.
Also, i would like to point out that tho Mr Barry Jennings never did actually see the dead bodies that he had to step over[due to severe restriction of sight because of powder and smoke in the air of the lobby because of explosions) in the lobby as he was finally rescued and led out of the building thru a HOLE IN THE WALL, does not mean there were not dead bodies in the lobby. Put a blind fold on anyone of us in a pitch dark room and have us walk over bodies. I ASSURE you that atleast 98% of america would pass the test on recognizing bodies.
Also, let's not forget the hole in the wall of the lobby that Mr Jennings was escorted thru to safety. There were NO GENERATORS,NO DIESEL FUEL and NO TRANSFORMERS in the LOBBY, so shills would you care to tell us Truthers where the hell the HOLE in the LOBBY came from? I believe i sense an OFFICIAL DEBUNK of the shills
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8/2/2015 10:29:43 AM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
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As far as building 7, you will find that these shills (even the dumb overeducated one named no-class) will insist that tiny office fires caused from the burning debris of WTC1 collapsing is what brought building 7 down as well. Problem is, the shills can't explain the explosions going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 north tower was ever hit by the military drone (if not a missile). Since explosions were going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 was hit or collapsed then there is no way flammable debris from WTC1 could have ignited the fires in building 7 therefore the transformers and generators as well as diesel fuel in building 7 could NOT have supposedly exploded causing the stairwell that Mr Barry Jennings was standing on, to disappear out from under his feet.
Also, i would like to point out that tho Mr Barry Jennings never did actually see the dead bodies that he had to step over[due to severe restriction of sight because of powder and smoke in the air of the lobby because of explosions) in the lobby as he was finally rescued and led out of the building thru a HOLE IN THE WALL, does not mean there were not dead bodies in the lobby. Put a blind fold on anyone of us in a pitch dark room and have us walk over bodies. I ASSURE you that atleast 98% of america would pass the test on recognizing bodies.
Para One: PROVE there were explosions before 8.46.
Strange how this info kind of debunks you:
Barry Jennings [Source: Public domain]Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker, and Michael Hess, New York’s corporation counsel, hear unexplained explosions inside World Trade Center Building 7, where they become trapped. [UPN 9, 9/11/2001; BBC, 7/6/2008] The two men went up to the emergency command center on the 23rd floor of WTC 7 after the first attack occurred (see (Shortly Before 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Associated Press, 9/11/2001; Independent, 9/13/2001] At some point, the power goes out in the building. They then start walking down the stairs to get out. According to Hess, when the two men get down to the eighth floor, “there was an explosion and we’ve been trapped on the eighth floor with smoke, thick smoke, all around us, for about an hour and a half.” [UPN 9, 9/11/2001] Jennings will also recall hearing explosions. He will say: “I made it to the sixth floor and there was an explosion. The explosion was beneath me
Para 2: Jennings never did actually SEE dead bodies?
It was just after the first attack on the North tower, but before the second plane hit the South Tower, when Barry Jennings escorted Michael Hess to the World Trade Center Tower 7. Mr. Jennings recalls a large number of police officers in the lobby of WTC 7 when they arrived. The two men went up to the 23rd floor, but could not get in, so they went back to the lobby and the police took them up in the freight elevator for a second try. When they arrived on level 23, at the Office of Emergency Management (FEMA),) they found it had been recently deserted, “coffee that was on the desk, smoke was still coming off the coffee, I saw half eaten sandwiches”.
At that point he made some phone calls, and an un-named individual told them to “leave, and leave right away”. Jennings and Hess then proceeded to the stairs, and made it to level 6, when there was an explosion, and the stairwell collapsed from under their feet, Mr. Jennings was actually hanging, and had to climb back up. They made it back up to level 8, where Barry Jennings had a view of the twin towers, both buildings were still standing. This is an important detail, as many debunkers have used Mr. Jennings statements out of context to claim the damage came to WTC 7 from the towers collapsing, not the case according, to Mr. Jennings.
When they made it to the lobby, Mr. Jennings found it destroyed and littered with dead bodies. He said it looked like, “King Kong had came through it and stepped on it, (it was) so destroyed, I didn’t know where I was. So destroyed that they had to take me out through a hole in the wall, that I believe the fire department made to get me out.” Shortly after he made it out, he was seen on several news channels telling his story.
Another story:
"But according to the London Independent, Hess and Jennings arrive there by the time the South Tower is hit, which suggests the center is evacuated earlier than officially claimed. [Independent, 9/13/2001] Jennings himself will recall, “I had to be inside on the 23rd floor when the second plane hit.” [Dylan Avery, 2007] The possibility that the emergency command center is evacuated earlier than the 9/11 Commission claims is partly confirmed by OEM Commissioner John Odermatt, who later says that after the first plane hit the WTC, he left only two staffers there (see (Soon After 8:46 a.m.-9:35 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Barrett and Collins, 2006, pp. 34] Jennings and Hess subsequently head down the stairs, but will become trapped in WTC 7, and have to be rescued by firefighters (see 12:10 p.m.-12:15 p.m. September 11, 2001)."
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8/2/2015 10:47:46 AM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Hardly, unless you can PROVE (which you know you cannot) that Jennings saw and heard explosions before 8.46, you are lying.
You've already been debunked so many times, why don't you just give up?
Look here brain dead. According to YOUR nist report, the fires in building 7 were started when WTC1 (north tower) collapsed at 10:28 am and hot debris from that collapse supposedly hit building 7 therefore catching it on fire and then them tiny office fires SUPPOSEDLY weakened building 7 to where it collapsed as well like 7 hours later. Mr Barry Jennings experienced and heard explosions and was already trapped in building 7 WAY BEFORE WTC1 even had a chance to collapse therefore BEFORE building 7 had a chance to catch on fire, therefore BEFORE any generators or transformers or diesel fuel in building 7 would have a chance to catch on fire and explode. So tell us you DUMB F**K, what the hell in building 7 exploded causing the stairwell to disappear out from under Mr Barry Jennings feet if not EXPLOSIVES from CONTROLLED DEMOLITION??????????
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8/2/2015 10:55:45 AM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
61, joined Nov. 2012
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Look here brain dead. According to YOUR nist report, the fires in building 7 were started when WTC1 (north tower) collapsed at 10:28 am and hot debris from that collapse supposedly hit building 7 therefore catching it on fire and then them tiny office fires SUPPOSEDLY weakened building 7 to where it collapsed as well like 7 hours later. Mr Barry Jennings experienced and heard explosions and was already trapped in building 7 WAY BEFORE WTC1 even had a chance to collapse therefore BEFORE building 7 had a chance to catch on fire, therefore BEFORE any generators or transformers or diesel fuel in building 7 would have a chance to catch on fire and explode. So tell us you DUMB F**K, what the hell in building 7 exploded causing the stairwell to disappear out from under Mr Barry Jennings feet if not EXPLOSIVES from CONTROLLED DEMOLITION??????????
Please try to follow the question, it makes life so much easier, even for you.
Please forget the NIST report about the time of the collapse.
The question was....
Prove Jennings was in the building before the 1st plane hit at 8.46.
After all, you have said he heard explosions BEFORE any planes hit. You said this:
" Problem is, the shills can't explain the explosions going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 north tower was ever hit by the military drone (if not a missile). Since explosions were going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 was hit "
IF we are to believe that, which we don't, both Jennings and Hess HAD to be in the building before 8.46, which is when the first plane hit.
You are squirming and I feel your pain...especially as we can see from the post quoted above you have ONCE AGAIN, changed your words haven't you?
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8/2/2015 11:13:50 AM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
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I am going to make this so easy for you srv.
You will see below, TWO quotes from you stating the Jennings Heard and Saw explosions BEFORE anything hit the WTC 1, time of impact was 8.46, this is on record as a FACT (which even your moronic mind cannot ignore) and the WTC 2 Tower was it at 9.03.
Now, for your man Barry Jennings and Mr Hess to have heard and seen explosions, they HAD to have been in the WTC BEFORE the time the first plane hit, which was at 8.46.
I asked you to prove he was in the WTC7 PRIOR to that time, 8.46.
Now, if you cannot do that, then these posts below aren't quite factual are they srv? Mmmm?
I'm not dancing around with your a** anymore playing your dumb assed word games.FACT is Barry Jennings HEARD AND SEEN explosions BEFORE WTC1 was hit by the military drone therefore you shills HAVE NO EXCUSES saying that generators or transformers in building 7 were exploding because of fires in the building. Your turn shill
I'm not dancing around with your a** anymore playing your dumb assed word games.FACT is Barry Jennings HEARD AND SEEN explosions BEFORE WTC1 was hit by the military drone therefore you shills HAVE NO EXCUSES saying that generators or transformers in building 7 were exploding because of fires in the building. Your turn shill
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Second Part:
Now, we seem to have changed our 'story' don't we srv?
You make no mention of the planes crashing and him hearing and seeing explosions before the plane hit Tower 1, you have now changed it to BEFORE the collapse of the FIRST TOWER which was at 10.28, nearly 1 3/4 hours AFTER the plane hit it.
We all know that it is VERY possible that he will have heard explosions and yes, maybe even FELT them(as he said he did, felt them and NOT seen them as you wildly claim in other posts, but hey, well done, you've changed that too haven't you? It is now EXPERIENCED them)
Mr Barry Jennings experienced and heard explosions and was already trapped in building 7 WAY BEFORE WTC1 even had a chance to collapse therefore BEFORE building 7 had a chance to catch on fire, :
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SO Mr srv, just which one is correct?
Maybe both are correct, in your mind and if it is to be the first quotes, then you need to show us when and how both he and Hess were in the WTC7 prior to 8.46, and please do bear in mind and so as to prevent you from being stupid again, do listen to his story and where he says when he got to floor 23 it was EMPTY.
Want to know why it was empty srv? They had EVACUATED the Tower AFTER the 1st plane hit at 8.46.
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8/2/2015 11:15:46 AM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
52, joined Jul. 2012
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Please try to follow the question, it makes life so much easier, even for you.
Please forget the NIST report about the time of the collapse.
The question was....
Prove Jennings was in the building before the 1st plane hit at 8.46.
After all, you have said he heard explosions BEFORE any planes hit. You said this:
" Problem is, the shills can't explain the explosions going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 north tower was ever hit by the military drone (if not a missile). Since explosions were going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 was hit "
IF we are to believe that, which we don't, both Jennings and Hess HAD to be in the building before 8.46, which is when the first plane hit.
You are squirming and I feel your pain...especially as we can see from the post quoted above you have ONCE AGAIN, changed your words haven't you?
Whooooh, forget the nist report, your holy bible of what REALLY HAPPENED on 9/11? Now your nist report is not serving your needs but instead CONTRADICTING your bullshit so you conveniently want to FORGET about the nist report?
Before we go any further, i think it's best that we find out what YOUR assumption is as far as what and when caused the fires to start in building 7
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8/2/2015 11:25:25 AM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
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We will deal with that after you answer the questions srv.
When I say 'forget the NIST report' it wasn't meant in a literal sense, but then again, you are too stupid to understand that.
The reason for saying it was to get you to prove the Jennings and Hess were in the building prior to the 1st plane hitting AS YOU HAVE CLAIMED TWICE.
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8/2/2015 11:35:31 AM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
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4) IF you IDIOTS would LISTEN to Mr Barry Jennings testimony, you would CLEARLY HEAR and figure out that he was hearing explosions in the building of WTC7 as well as WITNESSING THE EXPLOSION that caused the stairwell beneath his feet to collapse, BEFORE WTC1 was rammed with the military drone.
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REALLY? Does he actually say this on his video?
So according to you, HE SAYS he was in the WTC7 - along with Hess - BEFORE 8.46?
Check your facts fool.
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8/2/2015 11:36:13 AM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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We will deal with that after you answer the questions srv.
When I say 'forget the NIST report' it wasn't meant in a literal sense, but then again, you are too stupid to understand that.
The reason for saying it was to get you to prove the Jennings and Hess were in the building prior to the 1st plane hitting AS YOU HAVE CLAIMED TWICE.
I'm stupid so you say? Who has who on the edge of the cliff of debunking with FACTS and fixing to push you off of it? I will deal with you tonight
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8/2/2015 11:43:54 AM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
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Not you for sure, you can't even answer simple questions or show any proof to back up your absurd claims.
Run away little boy.
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8/2/2015 4:55:08 PM |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
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Louie, the shills can only produce a link where the gooberment claims to have found the error in their bookkeeping and they blame it on their old system versus their new system. I bet if the accountants that were investigating that missing 2.3 trillion didn't have a missile end their lives, they would have found that allot more than 2.3 trillion has been squandered away and secretly deposited into this jew assed gooberments puppet masters pockets. I for one fully support an investigation of ALL ASSETS that the gooberment controls and what better investigators than the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT since they despise the rats in our government. For every dollar that they find that was STOLEN from us the public, i would support giving them 10 cents on the dollar.Can you imagine the motivation that they would have on tracking every last penny? Can you imagine how many scumbag politicians and elite jews as well as puppet masters we would have in prison as well as how many daily public hangings of traitors to the United States? Wishful thinking huh
As far as building 7, you will find that these shills (even the dumb overeducated one named no-class) will insist that tiny office fires caused from the burning debris of WTC1 collapsing is what brought building 7 down as well. Problem is, the shills can't explain the explosions going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 north tower was ever hit by the military drone (if not a missile). Since explosions were going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 was hit or collapsed then there is no way flammable debris from WTC1 could have ignited the fires in building 7 therefore the transformers and generators as well as diesel fuel in building 7 could NOT have supposedly exploded causing the stairwell that Mr Barry Jennings was standing on, to disappear out from under his feet.
Also, i would like to point out that tho Mr Barry Jennings never did actually see the dead bodies that he had to step over[due to severe restriction of sight because of powder and smoke in the air of the lobby because of explosions) in the lobby as he was finally rescued and led out of the building thru a HOLE IN THE WALL, does not mean there were not dead bodies in the lobby. Put a blind fold on anyone of us in a pitch dark room and have us walk over bodies. I ASSURE you that atleast 98% of america would pass the test on recognizing bodies.
Also, let's not forget the hole in the wall of the lobby that Mr Jennings was escorted thru to safety. There were NO GENERATORS,NO DIESEL FUEL and NO TRANSFORMERS in the LOBBY, so shills would you care to tell us Truthers where the hell the HOLE in the LOBBY came from? I believe i sense an OFFICIAL DEBUNK of the shills
And another dumb rant without any evidence.
You're a f**king idiot.
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8/2/2015 9:58:32 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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And another dumb rant without any evidence.
You're a f**king idiot.
You say no evidence? You are officially now a brainless degenerate. I know mommy must be proud
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8/2/2015 10:01:08 PM |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
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You say no evidence? You are officially now a brainless degenerate. I know mommy must be proud
Yes, no evidence, can't you read?
I dumbed it down especially for you and you still can't get it?
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8/2/2015 10:01:50 PM |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
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Not you for sure, you can't even answer simple questions or show any proof to back up your absurd claims.
Run away little boy.
Ain't that the truth.
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8/2/2015 10:08:58 PM |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
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quote from Gage's muppet
As far as building 7, ....explain the explosions going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 north tower was ever hit...
You have no evidence for this moronic claim. So you are basically saying that explosions were heard in 7WTC before 8:46 am?
You're are moron if you swallowed that shit, but it confirms my suspicions.
Anytime you want to debate the collapse of 7WTC from a scientific POV, I'm keen. But if you employ your usual standards and tactics, it would be a waste of time. I'm here if you ever lift your game to an adult level.
[Edited 8/2/2015 10:11:46 PM ]
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8/2/2015 10:15:50 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Yes, no evidence, can't you read?
I dumbed it down especially for you and you still can't get it?
So when a deceptive shill is cornered with FACTS and their holy bible (nist) has no answers to help them, they go into verbal attack mode.
I always told your mommy she should have swallowed
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8/2/2015 10:19:17 PM |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
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So when a deceptive shill is cornered with FACTS and their holy bible (nist) has no answers to help them, they go into verbal attack mode
No d*ckhead, you have no evidence.
See the following:
...As far as building 7, ....explain the explosions going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 north tower was ever hit...
That was dumb. You are basically saying that there were explosions in 7WTC before 8:46 am.
That's stupid and as usual, you had no supporting evidence. So your little insults are meaningless, Conspiretard. You can't even work out a timeline, and it is mistakes like that which evince your stupidity.
LOSER!
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8/2/2015 10:24:28 PM |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
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Hey Loser, are you going to supply a link to support this retarded claim?
...As far as building 7, ....explain the explosions going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 north tower was ever hit...
Show me these explosions actually occurred, or I call BS. I know you can't because it is a lie.
Clearly you are just making shit up.
[Edited 8/2/2015 10:25:23 PM ]
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8/2/2015 10:40:20 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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I am going to make this so easy for you srv.
You will see below, TWO quotes from you stating the Jennings Heard and Saw explosions BEFORE anything hit the WTC 1, time of impact was 8.46, this is on record as a FACT (which even your moronic mind cannot ignore) and the WTC 2 Tower was it at 9.03.
Now, for your man Barry Jennings and Mr Hess to have heard and seen explosions, they HAD to have been in the WTC BEFORE the time the first plane hit, which was at 8.46.
I asked you to prove he was in the WTC7 PRIOR to that time, 8.46.
Now, if you cannot do that, then these posts below aren't quite factual are they srv? Mmmm?
I'm not dancing around with your a** anymore playing your dumb assed word games.FACT is Barry Jennings HEARD AND SEEN explosions BEFORE WTC1 was hit by the military drone therefore you shills HAVE NO EXCUSES saying that generators or transformers in building 7 were exploding because of fires in the building. Your turn shill
I'm not dancing around with your a** anymore playing your dumb assed word games.FACT is Barry Jennings HEARD AND SEEN explosions BEFORE WTC1 was hit by the military drone therefore you shills HAVE NO EXCUSES saying that generators or transformers in building 7 were exploding because of fires in the building. Your turn shill
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Second Part:
Now, we seem to have changed our 'story' don't we srv?
You make no mention of the planes crashing and him hearing and seeing explosions before the plane hit Tower 1, you have now changed it to BEFORE the collapse of the FIRST TOWER which was at 10.28, nearly 1 3/4 hours AFTER the plane hit it.
We all know that it is VERY possible that he will have heard explosions and yes, maybe even FELT them(as he said he did, felt them and NOT seen them as you wildly claim in other posts, but hey, well done, you've changed that too haven't you? It is now EXPERIENCED them)
Mr Barry Jennings experienced and heard explosions and was already trapped in building 7 WAY BEFORE WTC1 even had a chance to collapse therefore BEFORE building 7 had a chance to catch on fire, :
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SO Mr srv, just which one is correct?
Maybe both are correct, in your mind and if it is to be the first quotes, then you need to show us when and how both he and Hess were in the WTC7 prior to 8.46, and please do bear in mind and so as to prevent you from being stupid again, do listen to his story and where he says when he got to floor 23 it was EMPTY.
Want to know why it was empty srv? They had EVACUATED the Tower AFTER the 1st plane hit at 8.46.
Ok shill, atleast i'm man enough to admit when i might have jumped the gun. You know damn well as i do that your second version of events is what happened confirmed by Barry Jennings eyewitness accounts. NOW are you going to tell me what the hell started the small office fires in WTC7 ???
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8/2/2015 10:46:39 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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@ higgy,
Now are you going to be man enough to admit that you were being deceptive in spewing your bullshit about generators exploding in WTC7, hoping that none of us Truthers would know that generators DO NOT EXPLODE?
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8/2/2015 10:55:48 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Hey Loser, are you going to supply a link to support this retarded claim?
...As far as building 7, ....explain the explosions going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 north tower was ever hit...
Show me these explosions actually occurred, or I call BS. I know you can't because it is a lie.
Clearly you are just making shit up.
I'm not making shit up shill. My statements are still the same, only difference is explosions were heard and witnessed in WTC7 BEFORE the controlled demolition of WTC1.
Now instead of dancing around avoiding the question, tell us what the hell caused the explosions in WTC7
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8/2/2015 11:19:11 PM |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
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I'm not making shit up shill. My statements are still the same, only difference is explosions were heard and witnessed in WTC7 BEFORE the controlled demolition of WTC1.
That is false, and you ARE making it up. There is no way explosions were heard inside 7WTC before 8:46 am. That is just stupid and you can't prove it.
Does anyone else note the beginnings of a goal post shift in SRV's response?
As to your demand. F**k you! You won't supply any supporting evidence to back up your claims, so any demand you make I will disregard with similar contempt.
Now, before you change the subject as you usually do, can you prove the ridiculous statement you made regarding the explosions in 7WTC? I bet $20 you can't, because it is beyond moronic.
[Edited 8/2/2015 11:20:34 PM ]
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8/2/2015 11:31:14 PM |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
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@ higgy,
Now are you going to be man enough to admit that you were being deceptive in spewing your bullshit about generators exploding in WTC7, hoping that none of us Truthers would know that generators DO NOT EXPLODE?
Did you really just post that? You do realise that generators have fuel tanks? No, you probably don't.
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8/2/2015 11:32:30 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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That is false, and you ARE making it up. There is no way explosions were heard inside 7WTC before 8:46 am. That is just stupid and you can't prove it.
Does anyone else note the beginnings of a goal post shift in SRV's response?
As to your demand. F**k you! You won't supply any supporting evidence to back up your claims, so any demand you make I will disregard with similar contempt.
Now, before you change the subject as you usually do, can you prove the ridiculous statement you made regarding the explosions in 7WTC? I bet $20 you can't, because it is beyond moronic.
When your able to find the time to pull your head out of your a**hole, you can read my last few posts and see that the explosions in WTC7 i'm referring to were around 9:25am
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8/2/2015 11:36:27 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Did you really just post that? You do realise that generators have fuel tanks? No, you probably don't.
That's right i just posted that and as far as this subject which i know WAY the f**k more than you do, i will rip you a new a**hole.
You BETTER do some research before debating with me on DIESEL FUEL or TRANSFORMERS or GENERATORS because I WILL bury your ass!!!
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8/2/2015 11:45:04 PM |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
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That's right i just posted that and as far as this subject which i know WAY the f**k more than you do, i will rip you a new a**hole.
With your retarded and deficient debating style you couldn't rip a shirt, F**kwit.
You BETTER do some research before debating with me on DIESEL FUEL or TRANSFORMERS or GENERATORS because I WILL bury your ass!!!
Bullshit! You are an idiot who doesn't present a challenge in any form. You can't even lift your game above that of a window-licker.
You knew he was referring to the fuel tanks and not the generators themselves, but no, you had to be the douche in order to try and score a few douchebag points. Wanker.
Now that you've avoided the previous request do you care to support that retarded statement about the explosions? I bet you can't and won't.
[Edited 8/2/2015 11:45:27 PM ]
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8/2/2015 11:50:50 PM |
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class5
Queensland
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When your able to find the time to pull your head out of your a**hole, you can read my last few posts and see that the explosions in WTC7 i'm referring to were around 9:25am
And there it is folks...the goal post shift. Did I not predict it?
I originally replied to this statement:
"Problem is, the shills can't explain the explosions going on in building 7 BEFORE WTC1 north tower was ever hit..."
Which of course was at 8:46 or before. Now it's moved forward to 9:25 and I'm the one who has his head up his ass.
You're a f**king lying Shitbag, SRV.
[Edited 8/2/2015 11:51:24 PM ]
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8/2/2015 11:57:30 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Bullshit! You are an idiot who doesn't present a challenge in any form. You can't even lift your game above that of a window-licker.
You knew he was referring to the fuel tanks and not the generators themselves, but no, you had to be the douche in order to try and score a few douchebag points. Wanker.
Now that you've avoided the previous request do you care to support that retarded statement about the explosions? I bet you can't and won't.
As far as your statement "You knew he was referring to the fuel tanks and not the generators themselves,",No there is no way for me or anyone else to know if he was referring to generators OR diesel fuel for the generators causing the explosions.I call you on your bullshit lame attempt to help higgy maneuver out of his ridiculous, deceptive post of generators exploding causing stairwells to disappear.
As far as your next statement "do you care to support that retarded statement about the explosions? ". Which statement are you referring to now?
Btw, diesel fuel does not explode either so choose your debate wisely
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8/3/2015 12:25:37 AM |
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aposorichie
Berwyn, IL
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Diesel fuel doesn't explode? Are you sure that you want to stick with that?
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8/3/2015 1:09:26 AM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
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Btw, diesel fuel does not explode either so choose your debate wisely
Yes, I agree that YOU should do that too. You really need to stop taking on people with far better research skills, they always debunk you, just like this below debunks you, again:
"Diesel fuel is widely regarded as safe to handle and store. In its liquid form, that is true for the most part. In its vapor form, diesel is very dangerous and can catch fire (or explode) easily in the presence of an accelerant such as fan air or oxygen.
Diesel is a stable liquid at normal outdoor temperatures. At temperatures above 100 degrees, the diesel liquid can begin to vaporize. The vaporization rate increases as the temperature increases.
Diesel vapors can ignite and explode when mixed with air. The vapors are explosive over a wide vapor-to-air mixture range. The lower explosive limit is less than 1%, and the upper explosive limit is about 10%. That means that diesel fuel vapors from a storage tank can explode with as little as 1% of the air being diesel fuel vapors."
So srv, as you can see, once again you aren't correct are you? It CAN explode when it is in a container and providing that container is less than full to the brim.
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8/3/2015 1:16:01 AM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
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I'm stupid so you say? Who has who on the edge of the cliff of debunking with FACTS and fixing to push you off of it? I will deal with you tonight
I thought you were going to push me off the cliff srv?
Oh yes, that was before you were found out to have been debunked again wasn't it?
Ok shill, atleast i'm man enough to admit when i might have jumped the gun.
Yes, you are man enough to admit "You might have jumped the gun", I will give you that srv, but if you had even BOTHERED in doing some research, you wouldn't be made to look stupid all the time, would you?
As I said previously, others have obvious better research skills than you do, ergo the constant debunking and you dancing and clutching at straws and changing your words over and over again.
Not only do they (we) have better research skills, we have LOGIC - something that you, 57 and the Old Man are missing in vast quantities.
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8/3/2015 8:05:36 AM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Diesel fuel doesn't explode? Are you sure that you want to stick with that?
That's right f**kwit and don't try telling me different.Diesel fuel itself DOES NOT explode.
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8/3/2015 8:16:23 AM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Yes, I agree that YOU should do that too. You really need to stop taking on people with far better research skills, they always debunk you, just like this below debunks you, again:
"Diesel fuel is widely regarded as safe to handle and store. In its liquid form, that is true for the most part. In its vapor form, diesel is very dangerous and can catch fire (or explode) easily in the presence of an accelerant such as fan air or oxygen.
Diesel is a stable liquid at normal outdoor temperatures. At temperatures above 100 degrees, the diesel liquid can begin to vaporize. The vaporization rate increases as the temperature increases.
Diesel vapors can ignite and explode when mixed with air. The vapors are explosive over a wide vapor-to-air mixture range. The lower explosive limit is less than 1%, and the upper explosive limit is about 10%. That means that diesel fuel vapors from a storage tank can explode with as little as 1% of the air being diesel fuel vapors."
So srv, as you can see, once again you aren't correct are you? It CAN explode when it is in a container and providing that container is less than full to the brim.
I fully agree with what you just posted about diesel fuel. Diesel has got to have a high concentration of vapors to ignite as well as high pressurization to explode. As far as 100 degree temperature, that's a crock of shit and only will ignite if the tank that it is in is almost empty. Problem here is that ALL DIESEL TANKS to power the backup generators were FULL at ALL times and NOWHERE in building 7 did the temperature ever get above 80 degrees so nice try but no cigar.
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8/3/2015 10:08:07 AM |
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tragicparrot
Painesville, OH
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I fully agree with what you just posted about diesel fuel. Diesel has got to have a high concentration of vapors to ignite as well as high pressurization to explode. As far as 100 degree temperature, that's a crock of shit and only will ignite if the tank that it is in is almost empty. Problem here is that ALL DIESEL TANKS to power the backup generators were FULL at ALL times and NOWHERE in building 7 did the temperature ever get above 80 degrees so nice try but no cigar.
It was uncontrolled fires that brought down WTC7. How utterly ridiculous for you to think temperatures inside never exceeded 80 degrees. Linky...
http://www.nist.gov/el/wtc7final_112508.cfm
My suggestion, is if you cannot except the final NIST report as per WTC7, then find a way to dispute it, otherwise move on. Your attempt at citing Jennings, Hess, and whether or not diesel fuel etc had any significant role in proving this was a controlled demolition was, and will continue to be, pointless.
[Edited 8/3/2015 10:08:49 AM ]
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8/3/2015 12:54:14 PM |
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louie6332
Falkville, AL
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Tragic, you say: “It was uncontrolled fires that brought down WTC7.” Well, uncontrolled fires never brought down a steal structured high rise before, but here you are telling us, in your great wisdom, that they brought down no less than three such towers, and brought them down at near free fall speed into their own footprints no less. The chances of that happening is essentially nil, yet that’s what you would have us believe, anything to defend the Government’s disinformation cover story.
To bring down buildings into their own footprints at near free fall speed necessarily requires shaped explosive charges to be placed strategically on steel columns throughout the building, and fired in the right sequence. Office fires do not do this, and random explosions do not do this. The order to PULL IT is an order to initiate these explosions.
Louie
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8/3/2015 2:38:44 PM |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
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I fully agree with what you just posted about diesel fuel. Diesel has got to have a high concentration of vapors to ignite as well as high pressurization to explode. As far as 100 degree temperature, that's a crock of shit and only will ignite if the tank that it is in is almost empty. Problem here is that ALL DIESEL TANKS to power the backup generators were FULL at ALL times and NOWHERE in building 7 did the temperature ever get above 80 degrees so nice try but no cigar.
Crock of shit?
So you are calling these EXPERTS a crock of shit?
I think I prefer their UNBIASED comments over yours, especially about they saying only 1% of vapor is needed...and not your "near empty" shit.
http://www.forestoperationsreview.org/news-issues/item/329-diesel-fuel-vapor-hazards
Okay, next point of yours...you say at NO time did the temp get ABOVE 80 degrees?
Do you have PROOF of that?
I know you don't....so lets look at this shall we?
"Although paper ignites at around 480 degrees Fahrenheit, it gets far hotter once it's burning. The temperature at the center of a paper fire is 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit, give or take a couple hundred. The tips of the flames themselves are usually between 600 and 800 degrees."
Over to you for the proof of 80 degrees.
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8/3/2015 4:42:20 PM |
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tragicparrot
Painesville, OH
57, joined Mar. 2014
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Tragic, you say: “It was uncontrolled fires that brought down WTC7.” Well, uncontrolled fires never brought down a steal structured high rise before, but here you are telling us, in your great wisdom, that they brought down no less than three such towers, and brought them down at near free fall speed into their own footprints no less. The chances of that happening is essentially nil, yet that’s what you would have us believe, anything to defend the Government’s disinformation cover story.
To bring down buildings into their own footprints at near free fall speed necessarily requires shaped explosive charges to be placed strategically on steel columns throughout the building, and fired in the right sequence. Office fires do not do this, and random explosions do not do this. The order to PULL IT is an order to initiate these explosions.
Louie
Get it together already Louie. There are other examples of buildings that have collapsed due to fire, such as in May of 2008 when the Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands (a concrete reinforced steel tower) caught fire and ended up collapsing almost straight down into its own footprint. Besides, how many tall concrete and steel structures have ever been struck by a fuel laden 767? And how about not attempting to exaggerate the "free fall" crapola. For example, the twin towers only collapsed at around 2/3 free fall whereas their inner cores collapsed last at only around 40% free fall. Doesn't say much for your controlled demo theory does it?
Still stuck on the "pull it" theory? Next thing you know you'll be pointing out small fires on the north side of WTC7.
Linky to the NIST report regarding WTC7...
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtc7.cfm
Seems to me, that your complete distrust for the government, despite the fact nearly 100% of its employees are folks just like you and me, has clouded your judgement to the point where you'll believe almost anything as long as it supports your conspiracy theory.
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8/3/2015 11:37:50 PM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
52, joined Jul. 2012
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It was uncontrolled fires that brought down WTC7. How utterly ridiculous for you to think temperatures inside never exceeded 80 degrees. Linky...
http://www.nist.gov/el/wtc7final_112508.cfm
My suggestion, is if you cannot except the final NIST report as per WTC7, then find a way to dispute it, otherwise move on. Your attempt at citing Jennings, Hess, and whether or not diesel fuel etc had any significant role in proving this was a controlled demolition was, and will continue to be, pointless.
Nice try parrot of TRYING to change the subject matter from the cause of explosions that Barry Jennings heard in building 7 to the supposed fires that brought down building 7. According to you shills holy bible (the nist report), NO fires were inside of building 7 until WTC1 (north tower) collapsed which was at 10:28AM. I'm still waiting on you paid shills to tell me what was causing the explosions in building 7 that Barry Jennings and Mr Hess heard as well as the big explosion that wiped out the stairwell beneath Barry Jennings feet and them explosions starting at 9:25AM which is over ONE HOUR BEFORE WTC1 collapsed which would make it impossible for WTC1 to have started the fires in building 7.
Since we have already established that it was IMPOSSIBLE for WTC1 to have started any fires in WTC7 before 10:28AM since WTC1 has no collapsed yet, that would mean that before 10:28AM that morning there could not have been any fires in WTC7. Now,since there were no fires in WTC7 (building 7) from the time that Mr Barry Jennings arrived to the building that morning at about 9:05AM until the time that WTC1 collapsed which was at 10:28AM, then the backup generators and their disel tanks as well as the power transformers COULD NOT have exploded in any way causing the stairwell to explode out from under Barry Jennings feet.
Now the million dollar question---WHAT caused the stairwell to EXPLODE?????
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8/4/2015 12:00:02 AM |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
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Crock of shit?
So you are calling these EXPERTS a crock of shit?
I think I prefer their UNBIASED comments over yours, especially about they saying only 1% of vapor is needed...and not your "near empty" shit.
http://www.forestoperationsreview.org/news-issues/item/329-diesel-fuel-vapor-hazards
Okay, next point of yours...you say at NO time did the temp get ABOVE 80 degrees?
Do you have PROOF of that?
I know you don't....so lets look at this shall we?
"Although paper ignites at around 480 degrees Fahrenheit, it gets far hotter once it's burning. The temperature at the center of a paper fire is 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit, give or take a couple hundred. The tips of the flames themselves are usually between 600 and 800 degrees."
Over to you for the proof of 80 degrees.
If you have ever been inside of a mechanical room, you would find it is always warm to the point that you feel yourself fixing to sweat (80 degrees)but NEVER is it hot.If you have proof to the contrary, lets see it.
Yes, i'm telling you that your so called experts are full of shit. If diesel fuel explodes at 100 degrees, then we should have 18 wheeler fuel tanks all across the midwest exploding from the dire high temperatures as well as chemical plants in the south and the west exploding.Your "experts" are IDIOTS.
I tell you what i will do to PROVE that i'm right and your excuse of "experts" are wrong. Tell me the bare minimum that your "experts" say is required as far as minimum outside temperature, minimum or maximum amount of diesel in what size tank and i will make a model of it on video and throw a lit cigarette into it to PROVE you are WRONG.
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8/4/2015 12:21:53 AM |
Falkville, AL |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
61, joined Nov. 2012
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I'm still waiting on you paid shills to tell me what was causing the explosions in building 7 that Barry Jennings and Mr Hess heard as well as the big explosion that wiped out the stairwell beneath Barry Jennings feet and them explosions starting at 9:25AM which is over ONE HOUR BEFORE WTC1 collapsed which would make it impossible for WTC1 to have started the fires in building 7.
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You do know, of course, that Hess is on record to say he heard NO explosives aren't you?
Second video.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/10/caught_up_in_a_conspiracy_theo.html
Can you actually PROVE these explosions took place at 9.25?
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8/4/2015 12:44:30 AM |
Falkville, AL |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
61, joined Nov. 2012
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If you have ever been inside of a mechanical room, you would find it is always warm to the point that you feel yourself fixing to sweat (80 degrees)but NEVER is it hot.If you have proof to the contrary, lets see it.
Yes, i'm telling you that your so called experts are full of shit. If diesel fuel explodes at 100 degrees, then we should have 18 wheeler fuel tanks all across the midwest exploding from the dire high temperatures as well as chemical plants in the south and the west exploding.Your "experts" are IDIOTS.
I tell you what i will do to PROVE that i'm right and your excuse of "experts" are wrong. Tell me the bare minimum that your "experts" say is required as far as minimum outside temperature, minimum or maximum amount of diesel in what size tank and i will make a model of it on video and throw a lit cigarette into it to PROVE you are WRONG.
This is great, this idiot is calling people with NOTHING to do with 9/11 on either side, just chosen by me at random from the results of a google search into diesel exploding, bu to this "EXPERT" we have here, they are a crock of shit!
He doesn't understand that diesel ITSELF does NOT explode or catch fire, it only does so when it has some VAPOR to it, as already explained to him by those experts chosen at random via google!
Diesel fuel DOES NOT EXPLODE AT 100 degrees you fool, you are devoid of reading skills, they never said that at all, they said it BEGINS TO VAPORIZE! Will you learn to f**king read you dumb shit?
If YOU had ever been inside a mechanical room, you will have notice air-conditioning, not to mention mechanical floors require external vents or louvers for ventilation and heat rejection....ergo, they aren't in danger of over-heating.
Then he goes on to talk about diesel exploding on a freeway! This man is so stupid it's beyond all recognition! He isn't aware that diesel fuel needs to reach a certain heat before anything will happen and that diesel being transported is cooled.
Here you go srv, some BASIC info for you to try to read!
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"Diesel fuel flash points vary between 52 and 96 °C (126 and 205 °F). "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_point
How can flammable and combustible liquids be a fire or explosion hazard?
At normal room temperatures, flammable liquids can give off enough vapour to form burnable mixtures with air. As a result, they can be a serious fire hazard. Flammable liquid fires burn very fast. They also give off a lot of heat and often clouds of thick, black, toxic smoke.
Combustible liquids at temperatures above their flashpoint also release enough vapour to form burnable mixtures with air. Hot combustible liquids can be as serious a fire hazard as flammable liquids.
Spray mists of flammable and combustible liquids in air may burn at any temperature if an ignition source is present. The vapours of flammable and combustible liquids are usually invisible. They can be hard to detect unless special instruments are used.
Most flammable and combustible liquids flow easily. A small spill can cover a large area of workbench or floor. Burning liquids can flow under doors, down stairs and even into neighbouring buildings, spreading fire widely. Materials like wood, cardboard and cloth can easily absorb flammable and combustible liquids. Even after a spill has been cleaned up, a dangerous amount of liquid could still remain in surrounding materials or clothing, giving off hazardous vapours.
http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/flammable/flam.html
CLASSES
Flammable and combustible liquids are divided into the following classes; based on flash points and boiling points. Flammable liquids are defined as those with flash points below 100 F and combustible liquids have flash points at or above 100 F. Flammable and combustible liquids are further subdivided into the following classes:
Class IA. Flash point below 73 F. Boiling point below 100 F. Examples include ethyl ether, and gasoline.
Class IB. Flash point below 73 F. Boiling point at or above 100 F. Examples include acetone, benzene, ethyl alcohol, isopropyl alcohol, methyl alcohol, toluene, and petroleum ether.
Class IC. Flash point at or above 73 F and below 100 F. Examples include xylene and turpentine.
Class II. Flash point at or above 100 F and below 140 F. Examples include kerosene, mineral spirits, and diesel fuel.
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8/4/2015 1:16:38 AM |
Falkville, AL |
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class5
Queensland
Australia
52, joined Jan. 2014
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As far as your statement "You knew he was referring to the fuel tanks and not the generators themselves,",No there is no way for me or anyone else to know if he was referring to generators OR diesel fuel for the generators causing the explosions.I call you on your bullshit lame attempt to help higgy maneuver out of his ridiculous, deceptive post of generators exploding causing stairwells to disappear.
It's not an attempt to do anything but state the f**king obvious Moron. Jesus, can you wipe your arse without help? Of course Higgy is referring to the tanks you Windowlicker.
As far as your next statement "do you care to support that retarded statement about the explosions? ". Which statement are you referring to now?
You know, the one where you moved the goal posts. Is your short term memory that shot from drugs?
Btw, diesel fuel does not explode either so choose your debate wisely
Unlike you and the other Bottom Feeders, I always choose my debate wisely. Furthermore, I doubt you could teach me anything about the behaviour of liquids under pressure from heat expansion, or in a vapour state. (and yes, diesel will explode under those conditions).
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8/4/2015 1:28:56 AM |
Falkville, AL |
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higgy51
Navarro, CA
61, joined Nov. 2012
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Unlike you and the other Bottom Feeders, I always choose my debate wisely. Furthermore, I doubt you could teach me anything :
Fixed it for you Class.
I think he's the 8th wonder of the world, I have never known anyone change their tune and words as much as he does when cornered.
I would love to quote them all, but it would take nigh on two pages.
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8/4/2015 8:45:38 AM |
Falkville, AL |
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srv63
Baytown, TX
52, joined Jul. 2012
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You do know, of course, that Hess is on record to say he heard NO explosives aren't you?
Second video.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/10/caught_up_in_a_conspiracy_theo.html
Can you actually PROVE these explosions took place at 9.25?
Can you PROVE that they didn't?
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louie6332 - Falkville, AL
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